Diana, 7 days and the walk behind the coffin

I'm with you Tegan.

Well, I'll never forget her .

I'm with you Teetime.

I'm with nigglynellie agree with all the points made. And yes Teetime enough already let the woman rest in peace and everyone get on with their lives.

Fair enough teetime but may one not comment on last night's TV programme?

Please now enough with Diana stuff and let the people who actually knew her do their own memorials and remembrance. I do hope we aren't going to have all this every few years. She has more than gone down in the history books - enough now with the press and TV.

Good grief Paddyann, doesn't he know England is that bit of land which seperates the Countries of .Scotland and Wales ?

they're probably turning Wales into a "Region of England"*Anniebach" your friend Mr Corbyn wants all the regions and countries of ENGLAND (not the UK) to be treated fairly apparently over Brexit so us Scots as well will henceforth be called a REGION of England ....in their dreams !!

Does BBC Wales know something the rest of Wales hasn't been told?

They have a programme Wednesday night ' The
Last Princess of Wales'

Is Wales finally getting the title PofW returned ?

Poor Kate

Is Harry still on holiday in Africa while we're being subjected to all this?

I bet Kate will be glad when it's all over. There's another one tomorrow night.

#somethingtoavoid

I was angry at the time and this programme reminds me just why I was so angry. Such selfishness by the public , the press headlines - your people need you. What a load of rubbish, and those women screeching out the names of the two children, sickening. How did she change the lives of millions? Such hysteria and such hurt for queenie

Having just watched this, what memories it brought back.
I also found myself wondering by "what right" we felt (then and now) to comment on the actions of a family devastated by such a tragedy. The media and public intrusion into Diana's death as into her life was abhorrent and most of us were complicit in this. I admit to looking at the pictures of what she was wearing, even turning out to stand on a pavement when she opened something or other near where we lived. I think the foreign press were even more extreme but our own tabloids and "celeb" magazines ran them a close second.
Yes the Queen as Head of State is a public figure with a strong sense of duty, but would any of us, as Grannies, bring our DGSs back to London to face the newspapers, the cameras and the TV or would you hunker down as a family in private to let them grieve and somehow start to live with their shock?
The public hysteria in London was to me deeply upsetting and intrusive. I think William and Harry said as much, but very tactfully, when they said they found it strange (I would have been less polite) and people who did not know her or them grabbing them, screaming, wailing, somehow expecting to share their grief and possibly hoping to invoke a reaction. I believe women fainted at Rudolph Valentine's funeral, likewise I expect at Elvis's or John Lennon's - to me this was more Hollywood than London in the 90's.
As for walking behind the coffin, they are proud now that they did this for their mother and William in particular was very aware of his dual role as "Prince William" and his duty, and "William" the 15 year okd who wanted to shut himself in a room and cry.
Their role was not to "comfort us", how dare we impose that burden on them, but to honour their mother both as Princess of Wales and as their mum.
They showed (to me) a dignity and sensitivity beyond their years, a sense of duty and unselfishness sadly absent even from some public figures today.
Diana would have been proud of them.

Anniebach we will never know really - we only see the public face they want us to see. I think overall the princes have done some good work on raising issues about mental health - though I do not lump grief in with mental health 'problems' - it is just a natural process. But they are criticised either way, for staying silent or being 'too open'. I hope they have been truly supported to grieve 'well' - helped to process the trauma. The recent comments that they have made which have been bandied about in the media suggest that they have had some difficulties over the years. And yet, if anyone should have had easy and appropriate access to supportive counselling it should be them because of their royal status.
From what has been said, they seem to have internalised a lot of pain over the years, Anniversaries do bring things to the fore and sometimes present new hurdles. I hope the process of sharing has been cathartic to them. There is no wrong or right way to grieve - as long as there is the opportunity to ...

I just hope when this programme is aired that the matter will be laid to rest.
I was in Europe when the accident happened and their press was certainly not holding back on the photos printed and images shown on the TV. It was an awful invasion of privacy even if Diana did court the attention.
Let the Princes get on with their lives and draw a line under it.

A pretty buttoned up family ? Such a pity they are classed as such because they don't "do" I feel your pain, let me share my pain" .

The problem with sudden traumatic loss is the trauma - this can greatly complicate grieving and given the public pressures upon the princes and the media gaze it is not surprising if grieving healthily has become further complicated for them. Add to loss, their father's second marriage to navigate - to a woman that they must feel made their mother's life very sad, plus all the insinuations of conspiracy, the disgusting behaviour of the papprazzi - the list could go on. Whatever the rights or wrongs of how Diana behaved, those boys have had a great deal to come to terms with and in a pretty 'buttoned up' family by all accounts.

Twenty years is a significant anniversary and it is not surprising that it is a time of exploration of grief for Diana's sons. I am not saying I agree with how it is all being handled now, but I think it is very wrong to suggest they should be 'over it'. My mother lost her mother when she was 11 and it was a trauma that marked the whole of her life.

no nigglynellie we KNEW what SHE wanted us to know,a very different thing.As to her" amazing charity work" its hardly charity when you make a very good living out of it...and she did .It iswhat kept her in the public eye and in the manner she wanted.I wasn't a fan then and I think her sons are every bit as bad as she was ..manipulating the media and the public for their own gain.As I've said before we ALL lose parents we dont all go crying to the press after 20 years about it.They need to grow up !!

The media or the people wanted the flag at half mast and they couldn't put it at half mast because the queen wasn't there and the flag wasn't flying.

I think the two princes have had time to get over their mother's untimely death. They have not faced up to the truth. That with a seat belt and sober drivers she would probably still be alive.

I'm not watching any of the programmes because I was incredibly sad at the time and I still feel sad about it now. She was, at the time of her death, the most famous person in the world. Her car drove past the end of our road once, on the way to the airport, and we stood there waving our flags; even to catch just a glimpse of her was like being touched by magic. There was something about her that touched my heart, and I was astounded to realise, after her death, that so many other people felt the same way. No matter how much you manipulate the news media, you can't make people feel like that. Can't believe it's twenty years, though. Can still remember my daughter sitting on the end of my bed when we heard the news and saying 'well, mum; it seems like they've got us back for Joan of Arc'...

I think she was was determined to bug queenie and family. Prancing on .Fayeds boat, taking her sons onto fayeds private beach with boats of photographers bobbing on the sea. refusing royal bodyguards , the press were informed every day where she would be , making sure the world knew she was at the Windsor villa . I have been told she was a very vengeful woman , plus she had planned to take her sons to America to holiday with a very wealthy man, the royal protection team advised it was unsafe so she couldn't take her sons, so last minute off to fayeds villa

I think Diana was impulsive and jumped up and did things without first thinking about the possible consequences. Didn't Harry say Diana told him to be as naughty as you like, as long as you don't get caught? I agree with others here who say her behaviour verged on being irresponsible, foolish, maybe even selfish.
Perhaps when the princes were children Diana's recklessness and sense of fun endeared her to them, but perhaps now as men they are finding it hard to reconcile this with the gravity of being heirs to the throne. For them there must be a lot of conflicting emotions, it's not easy.

Diana lacked whatever it is that makes parents behave responsibly when away because not only do they miss their children, they know how much their children will be missing them.

The old school Royals might have been well known for leaving childcare to others but they didn't behave in a way that would put their own lives at risk. Clearly Diana never gave much thought to what her shenanigans might be doing to the boys.

Thinking about it annie, I think you are almost certainly right. As you say willsmadnan, these two had spent the summer behaving extremely foolishly. Always having their own way regardless sadly proved fatal for both of them and I guess Diana's bodyguard had no say in the matter poor man.

Exactly AB. Courting the press around the Med then roaring around Paris like schoolkids..... to the Windsors old home on the Bois de Boulogne (what f.... was all that about?.... apart from blatant showing-off from Dodi Fayed because Daddy now owned it), then to the Ritz (hardly keeping a low profile) and then to pile on the drama by roaring off to Dodi's apartment. Any sensible couple would have spent the night in the hotel...... hardly slumming it! Her bodygaurd sbould have clamped down on that, but I guess you had 2 people who were used to getting their own way unchallenged.