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Jane10 Thu 13-Aug-15 21:35:13

Well I can't say I was impressed by Paul Hollywood. He was quite rude to his mother I thought -telling her to get new lenses and sort of telling her to get on with it , bring all the papers and not in 18 trips. Then it all seemed a bit self indulgent. Millions of men fought in North Africa and Italy among other places. Maybe I'm in a bad mood but I just wondered how he seems to be such a big star and well aware of it too. Hhhmmm

rosequartz Fri 25-Sept-15 09:41:51

I really enjoyed this episode (I was beginning to think I wouldn't bother any more).
I did comment to DH that there is more documentation still in existence if your family was in the higher echelons.
DM's cousin is descended from Edward IV - so presumably William the Conqueror - and they were always referred to as 'the posh side of the family'. I don't think (like some) that everyone is descended from royalty - some of our ancestors must have been the serfs and foot soldiers! grin

gillybob how wonderful to have all that family history - most of our stuff had been thrown out as 'not needed now'!

Anniebach Fri 25-Sept-15 09:55:18

I too enjoyed this weeks episode . I very much doubt everyone is descended from royalty, certainly not mine, Anglesey,Wales is the most difficult county to research and I doubt anyone of noble birth ! bothered to row across to the Island

rosequartz Fri 25-Sept-15 10:06:58

The Welsh surnames are the most difficult to research. So many with the same name and probably unrelated.
Unless your surname is Tudor of course!

granjura Fri 25-Sept-15 10:31:30

how on earth can one hold 'posh' or 'poor' or even 'criminal' ancestry against someone? You can of course be fascinated or shocked- to find out the princes or skeletons in the family cupboard- but surely not ashamed. How can one be responsible for one's forebears' deeds?

Thinking about the line of succession, I think last night's showed that, if the direct line had not been tampered with (by giving the Crown to others thant those in line, even foreigners, when it suited) it would make Gardner closer to succeed than our (German) royals.

Remember the documentary of Lord Hastings, of Ashby-de-la-Zouch Castle, who was proven to be the direct successor to the Crown. He had emigrated to Australia where he was a sheep farmer and a staunch republican.

durhamjen Fri 25-Sept-15 10:37:32

It was a bit weird seeing him on the news straight after. I found it a problem listening to what he was saying without thinking about him being descended from royalty.

annodomini Fri 25-Sept-15 10:46:50

It's estimated that 1 in 200 men alive today is descended from Ghengis Khan. Sadly, I don't think WDYTYA could get hold of the documentation for that.

Tegan Fri 25-Sept-15 10:50:25

I haven't seen last nights yet but plan to; I have so much respect for that man...a complete hero of mine.

Elegran Fri 25-Sept-15 11:11:50

John of Gaunt was another royal with many descendants.

loopylou Fri 25-Sept-15 11:30:33

I too was beginning to think I wouldn't bother to watch any more episodes; I still think this series seems nowhere near as interesting as previous ones.

Frank Gardener is very much someone I admire, goodness knows how he survived being shot 6 times, amazing man.

granjura Fri 25-Sept-15 12:28:26

same here dj- it felt a bit surreal.

Leticia Fri 25-Sept-15 18:59:34

When you consider that you have 16 great great grandparents, 32 great great great grandparents , 64 5x great etc etc etc - I got to 4 million before I gave up and I wasn't back to William the Conquerer- it is highly likely. They are all equal - your father's father's father isn't suprior grandparent- he is no more important than your mother's father's mother.

rosequartz Fri 25-Sept-15 19:32:33

granjura I do remember the programme about 'King Michael' who had emigrated to Australia and in fact was the rightful heir to the English throne (I say English because it had not bee amalgamated to Scotland then!).

It was very good, and hinged on the fact that the wife of one of the previous Kings had had a 13 month pregnancy hmm and the future King was supposedly the child of a French archer, not of her husband the King.
Can't remember which or who.

We would have had King Michael and Queen Noelene as far as I remember.
I am sure he was happier out in Australia sheep farming!

rosequartz Fri 25-Sept-15 19:32:55

with Scotland, not to!

Nelliemoser Sun 27-Sept-15 22:57:44

rosequartz I think the king you are thinking about who was the son of an archer was Edward IV.
His mum Cecily Neville was married to the then Duke of York (mid 1400s) who had been away fighting in France at the time when Edward IV would have been (according to his birthdate) conceived.

There appears to have been a lot of contemporary rumours that she had had an affair with an archer produced the baby who was taken to be the Duke's rightful heir. probably to cover up any scandal.

If the future Edward IV had been a bastard child, he would not have been eligible to take the throne and if that was the case the two "princes in the tower" would also have been out of the sucession. (Then there was the alleged pre contract of marriage made by Edward IV which in the end made the two princes counted as bastards and barred from taking the throne.

rosequartz Mon 28-Sept-15 18:37:24

Thank you Nelliemoser

That is quite funny, actually, as I mentioned my DM's cousin (on the other side of the family of course) is descended from Edward IV!
They were always known as 'the posh ones' grin

granjura Mon 28-Sept-15 19:04:16

rosequartz- he sadly has died- but his sister is very much alive (and used to teach with me in a State comprehensive secondary school) so I suppose she must be the official in line now.

rosequartz Mon 28-Sept-15 19:36:39

I think he had a son (at least one) granjura and definitely a daughter, so they must be next in line. There is a 'Plantagenet Society' I believe!
Well, fancy that, hobnobbing working with Royalty grin

King Simon!
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/9373273/Rightful-king-of-England-dies-in-Australia.html

granjura Thu 01-Oct-15 22:01:15

Drying the tears- that was so moving. Thinking of allthe girls and women who died, were killed- and the thought of 90million refugees on the move at the time of partition. Anita certainly got perhaps more than she bargained for. Very very moving.

Luckygirl Thu 01-Oct-15 22:03:57

Extraordinary - there was so much there that I simply had not known - and so recent. The slaughter during partition and its disproportionate impact on females was shocking; and the scope of Spanish Flu deaths in India was quite appalling.

granjura Thu 01-Oct-15 22:10:10

Spanish flu however killed 1000s all over Europe too.

granjura Thu 01-Oct-15 22:13:25

From Wiki
current estimates say 50–100 million people worldwide were killed.[34]

This pandemic has been described as "the greatest medical holocaust in history" and may have killed more people than the Black Death.[35] It is said that this flu killed more people in 24 weeks than AIDS has killed in 24 years, more in a year than the Black Death killed in a century.[36]

The disease killed in every corner of the globe. As many as 17 million died in India, about 5% of the population.[37] The death toll in India's British-ruled districts alone was 13.88 million.[38] In Japan, 23 million people were affected, and 390,000 died.[39] In the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia), 1.5 million were assumed to have died among 30 million inhabitants.[40] In Tahiti, 13% of the population died during only a month. Similarly, in Samoa in November 1918, 22% of the population of 38,000 died within two months.[41] In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died.[42] Native American tribes were particularly hard hit. In the Four Corners area alone, 3,293 deaths were registered among Native Americans.[43] Entire village communities perished in Alaska.[44] In Canada 50,000 died.[45] In Brazil 300,000 died, including president Rodrigues Alves.[46] In Britain, as many as 250,000 died; in France, more than 400,000.[47] In West Africa, an influenza epidemic killed at least 100,000 people in Ghana.[48] Tafari Makonnen (the future Haile Selassie, Emperor of Ethiopia) was one of the first Ethiopians who contracted influenza but survived,[49] although many of his family's subjects did not; estimates for the fatalities in the capital city, Addis Ababa, range from 5,000 to 10,000, or higher.[50] In British Somaliland one official estimated that 7% of the native population died.[51]

Pittcity Thu 01-Oct-15 22:18:51

There is so much recent history that I know nothing about and Anita's story taught me more. I shed a few tears too.
I know that there are a few Spanish flu deaths on my family tree, including DH's grandfather's first wife and one of their children.

annodomini Thu 01-Oct-15 22:22:00

I knew there was something I meant to watch! I'll have to pick it up on i-Player.

gordino Thu 01-Oct-15 22:50:26

I think im too clever to be on this site lol.

gordino Thu 01-Oct-15 23:01:11

where are we folks.