who do you think you are

Yep! You're dead right gordino, do us a favour dear.

Goodbye

gordino - you state you are too clever for this site, that doesn't come across, you don't seem to make any salient points or make any contribution to the conversation, just one liners that seem completely disconnected to the thread. Then you add the inane lol, as if you have posted something witty, you haven't! It's hard to know what your point is!

Indeed Gordino. a bit of respect please. (just looked in case Peter Gordeno was of Northern Indian descent- and therefore would have known about the events- but he was not).

The story has haunted me last night- and I keep wondering what Anita will 'do' about this in the future- whether it will bring her closer to her family, or perhaps drive them further apart. She has chosen to not follow the Sikh religion and to wear western clothes and become very westernised (even wearing skimpy short on one of her early visit there in the programme- and then her dress became more and more respectful of the culture, long trousers and a scarf on many occasions).

The story of the wells is particularly haunting- as if they were full to the brim, it would have meant the women didn't die instantly and must have suffered for many days perhaps. Just can't get the picture out of my head and heart.

Here is a Daily Mail quiz you could do, to see whether you are clever enough to join Mensa.

Gordino. If that was a serious post, why don't you piss off to somewhere where your superior brain will be appreciated.

gordino I don't understand the question. So yes maybe you are to clever.

Poor Anita, I bet she did not envisage having a family history like that. How awful knowing stuff like that happening to your ancestors. Probably similar to having your Jewish family lost in the Holocaust.
While I knew ethnic conflict was bad during partition I did not know that sort of stuff went on. Such stories of the violence after Partition in India does not seem to be so well documented as the Holocaust. It must have been a dreadful shock for her she is roughly the same age as my son.

Those tears were real. It's so difficult to imagine. Hard to believe that happening just after the war finished, but we were not really told much about it, even though Britain was involved. It just did not come into our history, did it.
I found out a few years ago that someone in my father's family married when he was out in India at the time of the Raj, but never really looked into it that much.
I liked her reaction to the uncle who had bought her family inheritance for £30. Pleased she found such a big family presence that she knew nothing about before she found out about the women.

where are we folks.

I think im too clever to be on this site lol.

I knew there was something I meant to watch! I'll have to pick it up on i-Player.

There is so much recent history that I know nothing about and Anita's story taught me more. I shed a few tears too.
I know that there are a few Spanish flu deaths on my family tree, including DH's grandfather's first wife and one of their children.

From Wiki
current estimates say 50–100 million people worldwide were killed.[34]

This pandemic has been described as "the greatest medical holocaust in history" and may have killed more people than the Black Death.[35] It is said that this flu killed more people in 24 weeks than AIDS has killed in 24 years, more in a year than the Black Death killed in a century.[36]

The disease killed in every corner of the globe. As many as 17 million died in India, about 5% of the population.[37] The death toll in India's British-ruled districts alone was 13.88 million.[38] In Japan, 23 million people were affected, and 390,000 died.[39] In the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia), 1.5 million were assumed to have died among 30 million inhabitants.[40] In Tahiti, 13% of the population died during only a month. Similarly, in Samoa in November 1918, 22% of the population of 38,000 died within two months.[41] In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died.[42] Native American tribes were particularly hard hit. In the Four Corners area alone, 3,293 deaths were registered among Native Americans.[43] Entire village communities perished in Alaska.[44] In Canada 50,000 died.[45] In Brazil 300,000 died, including president Rodrigues Alves.[46] In Britain, as many as 250,000 died; in France, more than 400,000.[47] In West Africa, an influenza epidemic killed at least 100,000 people in Ghana.[48] Tafari Makonnen (the future Haile Selassie, Emperor of Ethiopia) was one of the first Ethiopians who contracted influenza but survived,[49] although many of his family's subjects did not; estimates for the fatalities in the capital city, Addis Ababa, range from 5,000 to 10,000, or higher.[50] In British Somaliland one official estimated that 7% of the native population died.[51]

Spanish flu however killed 1000s all over Europe too.

Extraordinary - there was so much there that I simply had not known - and so recent. The slaughter during partition and its disproportionate impact on females was shocking; and the scope of Spanish Flu deaths in India was quite appalling.

Drying the tears- that was so moving. Thinking of allthe girls and women who died, were killed- and the thought of 90million refugees on the move at the time of partition. Anita certainly got perhaps more than she bargained for. Very very moving.

I think he had a son (at least one) granjura and definitely a daughter, so they must be next in line. There is a 'Plantagenet Society' I believe!
Well, fancy that, hobnobbing working with Royalty

King Simon!
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/9373273/Rightful-king-of-England-dies-in-Australia.html

rosequartz- he sadly has died- but his sister is very much alive (and used to teach with me in a State comprehensive secondary school) so I suppose she must be the official in line now.

Thank you Nelliemoser

That is quite funny, actually, as I mentioned my DM's cousin (on the other side of the family of course) is descended from Edward IV!
They were always known as 'the posh ones'

rosequartz I think the king you are thinking about who was the son of an archer was Edward IV.
His mum Cecily Neville was married to the then Duke of York (mid 1400s) who had been away fighting in France at the time when Edward IV would have been (according to his birthdate) conceived.

There appears to have been a lot of contemporary rumours that she had had an affair with an archer produced the baby who was taken to be the Duke's rightful heir. probably to cover up any scandal.

If the future Edward IV had been a bastard child, he would not have been eligible to take the throne and if that was the case the two "princes in the tower" would also have been out of the sucession. (Then there was the alleged pre contract of marriage made by Edward IV which in the end made the two princes counted as bastards and barred from taking the throne.

with Scotland, not to!

granjura I do remember the programme about 'King Michael' who had emigrated to Australia and in fact was the rightful heir to the English throne (I say English because it had not bee amalgamated to Scotland then!).

It was very good, and hinged on the fact that the wife of one of the previous Kings had had a 13 month pregnancy and the future King was supposedly the child of a French archer, not of her husband the King.
Can't remember which or who.

We would have had King Michael and Queen Noelene as far as I remember.
I am sure he was happier out in Australia sheep farming!

When you consider that you have 16 great great grandparents, 32 great great great grandparents , 64 5x great etc etc etc - I got to 4 million before I gave up and I wasn't back to William the Conquerer- it is highly likely. They are all equal - your father's father's father isn't suprior grandparent- he is no more important than your mother's father's mother.

same here dj- it felt a bit surreal.

I too was beginning to think I wouldn't bother to watch any more episodes; I still think this series seems nowhere near as interesting as previous ones.

Frank Gardener is very much someone I admire, goodness knows how he survived being shot 6 times, amazing man.