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Brookside R.I.P. Any fans out there?

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isthisallthereis Thu 22-Nov-12 21:32:13

Here we are, folks. New home. This started on another thread but it's not good practice to hijack threads so I've just done a crude cut'n'paste and set up camp her. Just call this The Close:

The original thread was (and still is) called What I did today. I bent that a bit to write about what I'm planning to do this Saturday (24th Nov)

isthisallthereis Thu 22-Nov-12 18:51:58
First to Sheffield for a promising BBC new writers event.

Then I'm travelling on to Liverpool to attend a Brookside reunion. Always a bit nervous about reunions. Will I remember people, yet alone recognise them? Will anyone remember or recognise me (it was all 30 yrs ago!) I have to go thinking Yes to all that. Also not everyone got on, so it may not all be sweetness and light! But they were very happy times working in telly in the early 80's so I'm going very much in that spirit smile

crimson Thu 22-Nov-12 18:59:08
It was brilliant. I only realised that when I went through a divorce and there was an affair/divorce storyline going on in Brookside. Things that happened and things that were said were like a mirror image of what was happening in my life. Had I watched it years earlier I would have thought it too far too removed from reality. It's probably the only soap I've ever followed [although I missed the early years]. A friend of mine used to write for Dr Who. When he died I was given a dvd with a pilot show he'd written. Doug Naylor was in it playing an alien, as was the guy who became Mr Blobby! It never made it to the telly, unfortunately . It's so bad it's good ifyougetwotimean....

annodomini Thu 22-Nov-12 19:44:31
isthis - I loved Brookside! It was seismically ground-breaking with such a multitude of controversial themes and a lot of humour. Shame it had to end, but saying that, it probably did end at the right time.

isthisallthereis Thu 22-Nov-12 20:13:41
Hey I love the comments about Brookside. I'll pass them on on Saturday. The early years definitely the best I think. Strong characters, especially the Grant parents, and real, biting storylines. It probably ran two or three years past when it should have ended. But with different handling, couldn't it still be running?? The other big soaps survive and survive the odd dip. Brookside for some reason didn't.

Any theories why?

btw one of the best things for us working on it, including the actors, was that it was so innovative behind the cameras. As well as genuinely groundbreaking scripts. All other soaps were (and still are) shot mainly in studios on 3-wall sets. Brookie we shot in real houses on a real close. And PR (Phil Redmond) wouldn't allow walls to be removed or camera hatches to be cut. The rooms were tiny, especially the bedrooms, but we had to stage scenes and shoot in them somehow. Very demanding (and therefore very rewarding) for camera crew, sound, lighting. It made a big difference to the way the show looked. Phil was totally right. And it was all shot with a single camera, like a film. Not multi camera like a sit-com. And liberal use of Stedicam, unlike any other telly show I've ever directed. All that tecchy side could have continued as cameras, and now lights too, have got smaller and smaller. New writers would have come forward. More of them women, more of them non-white.

So. Why didn't Brookside survive when other soaps have??

Shall I start another thread? This is off topic. Or are there only a vert few of us interested and it'll fizzle out? How to know?

crimson Thu 22-Nov-12 20:20:21
I think other soaps carried on where Brookside left off but they are now full of murders, kidnappings, fires etc etc [I'm only going by what I see in the radio times as I don't watch them].And it was Brookside that started those sort of stories [bodies under patios I seem to remember]. Not sure that soaps cater for non sensational storylines any more. Maybe Brookside did carry on but as series like The Street?

numberplease Thu 22-Nov-12 21:19:55
Isthis, I don`t have any explanation as to why Brookside ended, all I can say is I wish it hadn`t. I never missed a single episode from start to finish. Got a shock seeing Dean Sullivan (Jimmy Corkhill) on TV the other week, if they hadn`t said who he was I wouldn`t have recognized him! And Ray Quinn was adorable as little Anthony Murray.

isthisallthereis Thu 22-Nov-12 21:39:33

Sorry. Typo. I set up her = I set up here
I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. smile and I've smiled. This is a very pleasant rosé, from Aldi (see another thread).

Oh dear. Will I now lose weight this week? (see another thread).

At least I'm enjoying spirited this CD of Ma Vlast by Smetana (see another thread) smile

Er....... back to Brookie confused

glassortwo Thu 22-Nov-12 21:52:09

I loved Brookside, I dont think I could say which was my favourite story line, but the body under the patio does come to mind.

isthisallthereis Thu 22-Nov-12 21:55:00

omg - a telly disaster. 15 mins and no response at all! YET

OK, which was your favourite Brookie storyline?

I liked the siege. And all the follow-up to Sheila's rape.

Here's a Brookie anniversary DVD on Amazon, released in four days time. I'm not holding my breath for repeat fees. I probably signed a bit of paper in 1985 .... Scroll down to see what material is included:

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0081PU96Q/ref=cm_cr_asin_lnk

Many ex-Brookie staff say that they think the selection of episodes is very poor. Too focused on the sensationalist stories that finished the series off. And not enough on the character-driven material in the early eps.

isthisallthereis Thu 22-Nov-12 22:02:39

Hi glassortwo. It's interesting you say the body under the patio. crimson above says that was the start of the rot. I disagree with crimson. Surely many other soaps were already doing sensationalism. To some degree that's what soaps are about.

Den and Angie's divorce papers on Christmas Eve in EastEnders?

Alan under a Blackpool tram in Coronation Street?

The Coronation Street viaduct train crash, or have there been two? One train and one Metro. Anyway it's been milked far more than the Jordache patio

The very OTT Emmerdale plane crash. The idea of course of Phil Redmond from Brookside who'd been brought in to save what was then still "Emmerdale Farm".

OK I've not Wikipedia'd every line above to compare calendar dates but you know what I mean.

Ironic that Emmerdale survives while Brookie doesn't!

glassortwo Thu 22-Nov-12 22:06:42

It did seem to fade away when it had been a very strong soap with fantastic story lines, was that down to the production team changing?

isthisallthereis Thu 22-Nov-12 22:19:38

Some of the production team (especially the Programme Directors such as me) change all the time. We're freelances. So are the writers. There are no Staff Directors and no Staff Writers (except Script Editors and they never originate scripts, only doctor them) on any of the Soaps that I know of.

I think the fact that the directors change every three months or so (even though many/most return later on a 'revolving door' principle) is all to do with power. Producers change on maybe a three or four year cycle. Executive Producer - anything between two years (not a successful tenure) and about six years or even more.

In my experience.

BUT Brookie was different.

Phil Redmond was Executive Producer (by any other name. Don't forget, he was also physical owner) for the whole run of Brookside. Every episode, from birth to death. No-one else behind the camera (Colin McKeowan, Mal Young, no-one) even began to chip away at that.

So, whatever happened, Phil presided over it and watched/saw it happen.

I wasn't privy to what went wrong. I'd stopped working on it by then and largely moved on to the BBC.

isthisallthereis Thu 22-Nov-12 22:25:54

Maybe it was financial (the demise). After all Phil married the company accountant, Alexis. No-one outside those two, apart from Channel 4 and I'd not bet on them knowing the truth, anything at all about the finances. If Channel Four were screwing down the fee to below what got Phil up in the morning, his character is that he'd move on to something else (eg Hollyoaks).

Leaving the writers, directors, even the middle-rank producers, rudderless.

The cast, of course, won't have had any say in any of this.

Greatnan Thu 22-Nov-12 23:05:35

I didn't miss a single episode. I thought the brother/sister incest story was handled very well.
Sue Johnston has gone from strength to strength and I see one or two other cast members from time to time ('Sinbad' became a porter at The Royal, I think).

isthisallthereis Thu 22-Nov-12 23:17:21

She (Sue Johnson) is brilliant. Always was. Many many excellent actors in the cast. Ricky Tomlinson, Paul Usher, Amanda Burton etc etc

Fun to work in such an atmosphere (mostly!) It had to be. We were paid buttons. And as I say, I'm not holding my breath for residuals (aka repeat fees) from the new DVD.

isthisallthereis Fri 23-Nov-12 12:03:40

Cut 'n pasted from elsewhere:

glammanana Fri 23-Nov-12 10:43:36
isthis such fond memories of Brookside the houses that it was filmed in where built by the builder i worked for at the time and we had our showhome just before you came into The Close we had such good times People watching when the filming was taken place everyone was so friendly,I knew a few of the cast before the start of the series as they lived near to us on The Wirral in fact Dean still lives down the Rd from us now and is involved with a campaign to save the recreation fields near to Tranmere Rovers.Enjoy your week-end meeting up with all your pals.

isthisallthereis Fri 23-Nov-12 12:07:54

I think Dean (Sullivan) is coming to the do tomorrow night. Always seems a lovely guy, though I never actually worked with him. I directed eps with all the other Corkhills loads but I then moved on to work mainly at the Beeb just as Dean was arriving.

BAnanas Fri 23-Nov-12 13:12:13

I loved Brookside in the early years and if I remember rightly it was a good mixture of humour and pathos and tackled some ground breaking storylines. It was a springboard for quite a few talented people, including the marvellous Sue Johnson and Anna Friel, both very good actresses. I think it went off after a while which is so often the case, although I stopped watching it towards the end I was nevertheless sorry when it folded. I don't watch any soaps now, have loved Coronation Street off and on over the years, especially when the wonderful Blanche was in it, what a loss she was! I stopped watching Eastenders about 15 years ago too much misery. I just think life's too short sometimes to make time for soaps, I have a Lovefilm subscription, only two films a month, but sometimes don't get round to watching both of them either.

glammanana Fri 23-Nov-12 13:58:22

I can't really comment as to why the series never continued like the others of its era,at the time we had moved abroad and I was shocked when I came home on one of my DGCs visits to find it had been taken off air.
Good times where had on Croxteth Park at the time and good friends made,in fact my DGD now goes to Suzanne Collin's for dance tuition and drama a Company she has set up with her friend she is very successful as are a lot of people who where in the show.
I like the fact that most of the actors who have become much bigger stars still keep their feet firmly on Scouse ground,and what a shock I had one year when living abroad to find the fab Ricky Tomlinson had bought a mobile home just down the Rd from where we had our restaurant we saw him most Sundays at a Rastero (market) and after a few cans of Tetley's (he used to bring his own in a plastic bag did our Ricky)he used to give us a turn on his Banjo he is a master of the spoons aswell.
Fond memories indeed isthat
glamma

isthisallthereis Fri 23-Nov-12 14:07:36

I don't know if Ricky T will be there tomorrow evening. I'd love to see him again if he is. I worked with him on many Brookie episodes. He's done really well, hasn't he? I especially loved The Royle Family.

glammanana Fri 23-Nov-12 14:20:55

Where are they holding the renunion isthis is it in the Town Centre or Docklands area,there is alot going on in Town at the moment I was over there yesterday and saw alot of street entertainment,my fav street entertainer is a blind chap with his dog who sits not far from Primark in Church Street he plays his guitar and it's all instrumentals from the late 50/60s loads of Shadows tracks I can stand there all day listening to him he is a great crowd attraction worth while seeking out if you have time.I love to go to Liverpool the kids there are so switched on with regard to fashion and we have some of the prettiest girls in the country.

isthisallthereis Fri 23-Nov-12 15:26:30

I also love to Liverpool and was very happy when I worked and lived there. My flat was on the top floor, corner of Hope Street and Canning Street. Amazing view from the front windows of the whole length of the Anglican Cathedral. Gambier Terrace to the left, including John Lennon's old flat, and the Mersey to the right. On a clear day you could see the hills of North Wales!

Tomorrow night's "Do" is in the Hilton, Liverpool One, near the Albert Dock. I don't know what sort of event it'll be. I think there's a DJ but we've not had to buy tickets so maybe there'll be no food. A pay bar? I don't know. Will they run an episode or two? Formal speeches or just everyone chatting and circulating? I've no idea. Will let you know on Monday!

isthisallthereis Fri 23-Nov-12 15:27:23

Typo: I also love to Liverpool = I also love to go to Liverpool

BAnanas Fri 23-Nov-12 16:37:56

I remember being in a pizzeria in Rome and hearing this loud familiar voice, and thinking I know who that is, sure enough turned round and there was Ricky Tomlinson! Loved him and Sue Johnson as Caroline Aherne's parents in the Royle Family.

numberplease Fri 23-Nov-12 17:29:14

Not my all time favourite, don`t really have one, but one of my favourite story lines was the Damon and Debbie story, pity it ended so sadly, I thought that Damon Grant was a great lad. I see Simon O`Brien is doing property programmes now, and he`s still a cheeky chappie.

Varya Fri 23-Nov-12 17:32:37

Only Soap I ever followed! Bring back Brookie!

crimson Fri 23-Nov-12 17:33:11

Had no idea that Amanda Burton was in it. I think my viewing time was over quite a short period and certainly missed the early days. Early evenings were 15 to 1 and Brookside in those days I think.

grannyactivist Fri 23-Nov-12 17:58:47

I have never seen a single episode of Brookside; I didn't have a TV. It put me at a slight disadvantage as I was a social worker in Hulme and Moss Side at the time and my clients often used things that happened in Brookside as an opening gambit to tell me things that were going on in their own lives.

isthisallthereis Sat 24-Nov-12 23:13:14

Am posting this from the Brookie reunion at the Liverpool Hilton. Dancing about to start. A good few cast here. Very enjoyable, though I admit I'm beginning to fade blush

crimson Sat 24-Nov-12 23:27:26

Know how you feel; went out to a concert tonight and realised as we were driving there that it was way past my bedtime sad. I'm sure you'll get a 'second wind' soon, isthis!