I wish that I had a Faith

GSM wrote:
". Comparing faith in a god with believing in Father Christmas is insulting and disrespectful. It’s a shame Franbern can’t see that."

To relegate a poster to the ranks of people who are not worth having a discussion with is even more insulting, if you think about it.
Nobody has a right to not be offended by having their ideas objected to, including me and Franbern.

I don't know exactly what Franbern's objection to this discussion is. Me, I will argue my point of view with no moral support from anyone. Endorsement from snowdrops is hardly worth having anyway.

I recommend option 3.

Btw I haven’t reported you.

Fanny, I empathise with your feelings. Me, if I did not belong to another, more metaphysically broadminded , online community I'd feel frustrated. I agree community is a human need.
However I much prefer a community where all ideas can be discussed objectively without anyone feeling "insulted"!

And without anyone being insulted. The insults here are not imaginary.

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Oh, I'm back.

I wonder who reported me?

Reported.

Germanshepherdsmum

Btw I haven’t reported you.

Oddly enough, neither did I

Caleo thank you

GSM wrote:
". Comparing faith in a god with believing in Father Christmas is insulting and disrespectful. It’s a shame Franbern can’t see that."

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On the contrary freedoms of thought and speech are good. A faith does not define the person who holds that faith. Therefore it's not an insult to a person to ridicule their faith.

It is an insult to ridicule a persons faith

Erm, I’m not sure about that 🤔

FannyCornforth

Erm, I’m not sure about that 🤔

Sorry - my reply was to Caleo, not Annie

I don’t like using the quote button too often.
Apologies

Ah, so that wasn't said to you by anyone on GN then volver. Your post did suggest that that had happened here so I'm please you've cleared up any misunderstanding.

Yes GSM "without anyone being insulted* then this thread could be a place for an objective discussion couldn't it.

I see nothing metaphysically broadminded in any comment that results in insults and ridicule to make a point. The point, indeed the entire argument is lost a soon as it happens.

let the mature, constructive, healthy exchange of views recommence, pollution free we can only hope NanaDana.

This is a very zeitgeist- y discussion really.
What constitutes an insult.
Is it in the eye of the beholder?

But. it’s not really one I want to enter - we’ll be mentioning the blooming w word if we aren’t careful

Smiles 👏

Yes GSM "without anyone being insulted* then this thread could be a place for an objective discussion couldn't it.

Please enlighten me as to how I can tell people that their belief is founded on sand without them shouting "blasphemy" or "insult" or "ridicule"?

A child believes in Father Christmas, I am being classed a child

Why do you need to tell people their belief is founded on sand volver? Another insult. Why don’t you just take option 3? You are not responsible for our education, spiritual or otherwise.

V3🤣🤣
Shut up and don't take the chance of upsetting the religious people, then never darken this thread again.

I'll take option 3, please.

But you didn’t, so what was the point of saying it?

If I hang on to a stupid or harmful belief I will thank anyone who can argue me out of it. If anyone can argue for an idea and really help me to a better understanding I will thank them for it. This happens a lot at Gransnet about interpersonal and practical ideas, and politics too. I have found that Gransnet is not the place to expect reasoned discussions about religion or philosophy.

She just can’t help it Molly. Sad really.

Germanshepherdsmum

Why do you need to tell people their belief is founded on sand volver? Another insult. Why don’t you just take option 3? You are not responsible for our education, spiritual or otherwise.

I should take option 3, you're right, but I'm waiting in for a delivery so I'm filling the time.

So if you don't want me to tell you that your belief is founded on sand, you only want to hear opinions that agree with yours and you don't want to be challenged, or to defend your position. That's not so good.

What is GN member cam here and said she is a very faithful Muslim, and that Islam is the only true religion?

GSM wrote:
"Why do you need to tell people their belief is founded on sand volver? Another insult. Why don’t you just take option 3? You are not responsible for our education, spiritual or otherwise."

But that is to denigrate a belief, it's not to denigrate German
ShpherdsMum. GSM's idea does not define GSM, and GSM is allowed at any time to change her mind.

Dobyou understand the difference between someone just saying they have a different belief to yours and why, and then going on to insult you for holding your belief and insult the object of your belief?