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Anniechip Wed 02-Oct-19 14:38:17

Hi everyone, I am hoping you lovely Gransnetters can offer me some advice.
My husband’s sister, 61, spinster, has always lived in the family home which is a rented property, 5 minutes drive from us. Now on her own after her mum passed away 3 years ago, works full time.
She had s key to our house for a number of years as she offered to feed our cat on occasions when we weren’t around, but started using it whenever she visited- just walking in on us without even ringing the bell first. We asked for it back and she said she would get a copy cut- just in case! She never did but she wasn’t happy about it!
When the mum was alive sister in law was her main carer, so in order to offer some respite we invited her on holiday with us, Canada, 3 European city breaks and 2 Mediterranean cruises. 6 years of holidays with us, same hotel room and cruise cabin. She paid for herself, but said she couldn’t afford single supplements rooms etc.
Last summer Both DH and us felt we had done our fair share, we wanted a holiday on our own. there is a brother who lives 150 miles away but has never offered a holiday or weekend away.
We booked a 2 week cruise which we took this August, had an amazing time as a couple, not a threesome!
When we told her we had booked the cruise she was not happy, despite the fact that previously when we had talked about it in a general way she had said she couldn’t take holidays in August.
She was ‘off’ with us for quite some time and wasn’t interested in our holiday at all.
She wanted to book a surprise mini cruise for next October 2020 for us and her but as DH and I are going to NZ for a month next April , he will use all his holiday entitlement. I have just retired so I am almost free - I look after 2 grandchildren 2 days a week for my DD. Our lovely daughter told her she really needs to check with us first.
So... we have now found out through our daughter who was put in an awful
Predicament that sister in law has booked not one but 2 mini cruises!!
One for me and her- 3 day to Bruges in Feb2021 for my birthday and one in Oct 2021 for her,me and DH 5 day cruise to Amsterdam!!! She is going to “surprise” us at Christmas this year!! Firstly my husband has always always said he would never go to Amsterdam never! I have never expressed an interest in Bruges!!
My daughter told us because she knows how annoyed upset angry etc etc we will be when we find out.
I am scared to tell DH as I know exactly how he will react- and he is a mild mannered, laid back man.
It’s the other implications too that have annoyed me, my daughter will have to find childcare for 2 days or use her own holidays andDH will use almost a week of his- going somewhere he really doesn’t want to!
Apologies for the rant and the long post but any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

pinkquartz Thu 03-Oct-19 14:16:27

I think you should be honest with Sil but also be gentle.
She has not been married nor had children so she has not learnt a lot of the boundaries people expect her to know

Because you went on holiday so many times with her she may not understand that you don't want to anymore but do be honest and as other PP's have said point her to singles holiday places and other helpful organizations.

I think it must be hard to be so alone in life.

Anniechip Thu 03-Oct-19 15:00:14

Thanks for all your lovely comments and advice, just need to add a couple of things. We did get the key back last year, and this year our cat died so there was no need for her to ever have one again.
She has a good social circle of friends who she meets with on a regular basis, so she certainly isn’t lonely or alone in that sense. She lives living on her own has openly admitted that and in fact this coming weekend she is off to Italy for a week with a lady friend who she goes to theatre and cinema shows with, who is of similar age and circumstances

Hetty58 Thu 03-Oct-19 15:35:39

I think it's unkind to just stop the holidays with her. I would draw the line at sharing a room, though. Perhaps your husband could help by paying her single supplements. After all, she must have saved an absolute fortune in care costs over the years. You can still have some holidays with just the two of you.

I don't like the 'done our fair share' comment. She is your husband's sister! You invited her on holiday six times - but she paid for herself. Did she get to choose the destinations - or have a say in the choice? If not, her only 'crime' is neglecting to invite you in return before booking. Consider the situation from her point of view. Surely you can go to Bruges with her?

The brother (that lives 150 miles away) had done nothing, you say. You can't expect or dictate others to do 'their fair share' or do the equivalent of what you've done. Life just doesn't work wthat way.

Paperbackwriter Thu 03-Oct-19 16:37:06

When you say 'same hotel room and cruise cabin', does that mean your SIL actually slept in the same room as you and DH? How did that work? Is it just me or doesn't everyone feel a bit more sexy on holiday than at home? I mean, I just couldn't share!
Sorry - that was a bit too much info, maybe. Anyway - I'd go to Bruges, could be fun. But your DH needs to sort this, not you. Change the locks though - and if a spare is needed for emergencies get a key safe with a combination that you only tell her when you really need to. Good luck!

Hithere Thu 03-Oct-19 16:48:57

Her booking the 2 mini cruises is not your problem. At.All.
She decided your time and calendar belongs to her.
Tell her that "I hope the cruises are refundable because my family and I are not going.
Next time, please check with us before making a purchase"

TrendyNannie6 Thu 03-Oct-19 17:34:52

For a start I’d change my locks I wouldn’t put up with that, I’d hate someone walking in my house that’s a big no no, and I certainly wouldn’t go on a holiday if I didn’t want to, she sounds a bit lonely to be honest

Norah Thu 03-Oct-19 17:54:08

Changing the locks is brilliant. DH tell her now, by email lest she deny she heard, no joint holidays.

Grandmama Thu 03-Oct-19 19:13:41

Amsterdam is one of the places getting fed up with so many tourists (so I read). Tell her it wouldn't be fair on the Amsterdammers. grin

Sharing a room with you and DH? Did I read that right? unbelievable. shock

SunnySusie Thu 03-Oct-19 19:33:15

Is it possible your husband's sister enjoyed your joint family holidays, thought you did too and assumed you were inviting her six times in a row because you liked her company? Maybe she feels she would like to reciprocate by arranging a couple of holidays now she doesnt have caring responsibilities.

As you are retired, the Bruges holiday is a short mini cruise and has been bought as a birthday present, would it hurt to go along? Then you can maybe re-negotiate on the Amsterdam trip so that your DH doesnt have to take time off work, or go to a destination he thinks he wont like with his sister.

Personally I would probably go on both holidays in the interests of family harmony and because they are short trips and also being given as a Christmas surprise. I would then find some opportunity to quietly explain the situation with regard to your DH getting leave and mention you are trying to fit in quite a lot of bucket list destinations and may not be available for future joint holidays.

Shizam Thu 03-Oct-19 23:27:45

Woman up! And your husband man up! And tell her you’re not going. Can’t think of worse situation. She can invite a friend, pay a bit to change ticket. Or go on her own. Or cancel whole thing. She really isn’t your responsibility. And get a cat sitter or cattery for your pets.

newnanny Fri 04-Oct-19 00:58:39

I think if it was me I would go to Bruge with her as it is a lovely place to go lots of chocolates and lace shops and 3 days is not long. I would tell her that dh does not have any holiday entitlement left so she will need to wither get a refund or go with friends. If she has cared for elderly parents for long time she may long to be free to see the world but not have many friends. Could you go to a new groups with her U3A, a book club or WI where she could meet other people who are single and wish holiday chums. Failing that there are specialist singles holidays could you buy her a weekend break with them?

naheed Fri 04-Oct-19 12:49:11

I'd definitely have the key safe with codes without telling her and if she finds out, I'll tell her that I've found out how much safer they are compared with the ordinary ones in this day and age, and that I'd recommend it to her and everyone.

I'd have a chat with her about how things are going to be different now that DH's retired and will probably change again after I retire as well as far as holidays and breaks are concerned. That's only natural for everyone. I'll tell her about our retirement plans and ask about hers. Meanwhile, I'll start a new tradition by inviting/including her for a meal at my place once a month and go out with for a meal or a drink once a month too. I might arrange a family holiday/break once a year that includes her too. This way, I'd start a new but warm, meaningful relationship with her that hopefully works for us all. Otherwise, she might feel unwanted, unloved, unappreciated and used and I wouldn't want that after decades of an overall good relationship with her. After all, you are the only family she may have for the rest of her life. Cutting her off too abruptly is unkind and may have dire effects on her. Best of luck