Continued support and fun aspects too of rebuilding lives after estrangement can't believe 4 years and we still here to offer help, friendship and support.

Eddiecat spot on, I could weep for. Y,lovley husband he is so good with my twins grandchildren and he would have been amazing grandad and infeel I would have been good gran,

It is Worry all these new posters on other threads especially one using my pet dogs name?! not seen before and being rude about me, seems more than coincidence

celebgran I agree about you would have been a good gran....you and your DH sound lovely people.

I was so looking forward to being an active grandma - my own grandmothers were lovely and I was close to both, there was extra love in the family with my grandparents love around.

I feel thankful my own grandparents were able to be granparents to us, as well as my own parents and In Laws being grandparents to mine.

for all grandparents in our families..

Re: the question posed about husband's hurting too.

Speaking from my own personal situation, 10 years down the line, healed and working towards regaining my life back. Yes. my husband, father of our daughter suffered too and I have to say that I was in such a state myself during the first few years, yes., full of self pity for myself back then that I really did not take into account how he must be feeling as I leaned towards him for emotional support. He was brilliant of course, in fact, I think our estrangement situation has brought us closer together rather than divide us, which I am sure our daughter would have wished happened as she did play the divide to conquer game once upon time.

Heartbreaking though the thought is, I am glad that my husband didn't live to suffer this pain. He not only loved his family, he cherished it every day of his life. On the other hand, dealing with it without him is so very hard.

O gosh thanks U so much sparklygran for that kind comment??

Dorothy 16 sadly in some ways the sadnessmhas damaged our relationship we love each other deeply but my daughter tried to split us. Thankfully our marriage is too strong for that but she tried and asked my dh why he stayed with. ME??
He told her he loved me so much and was aghast she could want to split us up.

He can't accept how nasty she has been it is unbelievable pain as sure U agree.

I is difficult as men don't have the same outlets gossiping with friends In Same way.
Family was and is my dear husbands life he will never get over our daughter betraying us so,

He now thinks if she wants to be so cruel then maybe we better enter of without her,
That's sad in itsel!

Grannynrainbow ??so sorry u lost your husband and have to deal with this alone,

It s tough luckylegs and ygagirl are alone too and it's hard.

Am glad we can all support each other o here.

The in depth nastiness and somehow all estranged grandparents at fault and sons and daughters can be as evil as they like culture on other threads is too much for me,
I am still grieving badly after 8 years despite all my efforts to rebuild.

Yes, you are spot on eddiecat. How lucky we are that we have GN, that we've found one another, have given and received support. Yes I know we get some nasties from time to time; if you're interested I've just put a long post on the estrangement thread on the AIBU forum; but we keep plodding on don't we, sharing our pain and joy when it comes our way.

Our posts help Mr. S. too as I often read them out to him. I've been doing rather a lot of that lately as I seem to be in defensive/argumentative overdrive. I'm sure that when Celeb and I get to meet in July and Mr. C. and Mr. S. get together it will be a welcome relief for them both to have a man who truly understands to talk too.

It's a truly horrible experience to go through and to see those that you love going through it too. More than 4 years into our estrangement, the thing that is the hardest for me to see is Mr. S. crying for the son and GC he's lost.

I`ve know my husband 40 years - never saw him cry until this happened. When he first saw our grandson he said he was really surprised how strongly he felt about the baby - he`s not a great "baby person" so wasn`t expecting it. He had so many plans for what they would do together - sadly he`s only seen him a handful of times since

celebgran you are welcome.....Smileless2012 I hope when you and others meet up it will be great and renewing

Hi ladies very concerned over new posters on other threads different names and weird posts.

So am going take break from the forum

Smilelss have sent u pm

Yogagirl we are on F book

Anyone else wanting keep in touch please pm me.

All the best peace of mind and love to us all xx

celebgran and close friends. Not my issue but I think you're absolutely right to step away from the nastiness you've experienced recently. Pm's and Facebook are the way to go for a while. I hope a break for a while will let you get back to how things were before your threads were hijacked.
I wish you well.

Great idea. Keep this thread on a proper course.

Thank u mcem it's not that this thread has been particularly hijacked but as said concern over new posters and after 5 years maynrun its course, for me anyway.

At first I was v naieve over internet and this being public forum

I am also struggling to cope with disability and have been for 4 months so really can't handle any more problems!

Wish everyone all the best as said peace of mind and love in your lives.

Well I know you wont be posting for a while Celeb but I'm sure you'll keep reading so here's someand afor you.

As we all know, sadly discussions on estrangement can result in some posters becoming frustrated, defensive and very argumentative; and that's just me.

All the best, celeb.

Well I've just braved the elements taking my little dog out for a walk. I don't know which one of us hated it the most; it must have been worse for him because he's just so little and was getting blown about all over the place. Bless him, he did hat he needed to do and then ran for home as fast as his, and my little legs could carry us.

Spent 2 hours this afternoon catching up on 'Call the Midwife'; only one more to watch until I'm up to date. Mr. S. hates it so it's not a good idea watching it when he's around. As usual I spent at least half of the time in tears; maybe I should stop watching it myself.

Watched 'The Real Marigold Hotel' last night and couldn't help but think of you there Yogagirl when it's your yoga retreat. It looks beautiful so I'm sure you'll have a great time.

Hope everyone's OK and looking forward to TGIF tomorrow.

Smileless, what is tgif please. Not been on for a while, been feeling unwell and down since before Christmas, however sad to think this link might close because of some bitter people who just come on here to upset, know it has really upset Celebregran, whom I consider a friend now and she is coping with not only the pain of her daughter's absence but in ill health, the bullies have a lot to answer yo, I have to pity them really, I would hate to be like them. We are all just hurt and doing our best to cope with the support of others in the same situation. Please those friends I have made keep in touch, not sure how it could work on face book, perhaps we could meet up somewhere central, for a Spa day or Yogagirls retreat.

Haven't read this last page on this thread. Just come off reading the 'epidemic' page and it upset me sooo much, I thought to come off GN completely! The vulgar way they speak about their m.i.ls. Someone put about me posting the wedding picture of my NiceD, saying that I should be visited by the police and solicitors, my ND knew I had posted her wedding pic on here, it was a happy occasion that I had shared with you all leading up to their wedding, so I wanted to share the lovely pic of my beautiful daughter & her lovely husband to finish the story, that's nice isn't it?
This poster [mumsnetter]said she than googled my D, why would you do that?? My daughter's FB page is a closed page anyway, so this nosey-parker wouldn't have seen anything anyway & nor would anyone other than my D's friends & family!

Luckylegs friends that's who I was sharing my niceD wedding pic with friends, not those awful mumsnetters on the other threads, if they come on here I'm off GN for good & they can have it all to themselves, but then they must read this thread as that's how they saw my D's pic!!!

Celebgran I feel the same about coming off here, as I've already mentioned above.

Smileless glad you watched 'The real Marigold hotel' It's the area we are going to, Kerala, not that actually hotel, our yoga retreat is situated right on the beach
Your posts are very good S in trying to put the mumsnetters to rights, well done.

for all the good kind Grandmothers on here, cut off from their beloved AC&GC for no good reason by the jealous inlaw!

I'm new here and have posted on another thread, so probably the wrong one. Just wanted to join those estranged from children and grandchildren. My daughter decided to cut us out of her life, and therefore that of our grandson, last summer. She won't respond to any message from any family member. I've continued to acknowledge occasions with cards and presents, but no response. I'd like, if nothing else, to have photos of the little one, so I can feel somehow involved in seeing him change and grow.

I've made a box for him that I hope he will have one day, just to show him he hat he had another family who love him. I put in letters and cards, so he knows I think of him every single day and all day long.

I have to accept that he will not know us and I also accept that there will be days when I am just so sad and days when I feel more hopeful.

Oh, I see you found this, Parklife. Good. I also see that your post here answers one of my questions in the other thread - no way you can contact ed and ask her what happened. Or have you tried simply asking without expressing how hurt you are, etc? It is counter-intuitive, perhaps, but maybe a simple question would get a reply?

If there is no response to cards and gifts, it is possible she doesn't want them. If she has really gone nc (no contact), then she won't be sending any pictures. I'm so sorry about all this.

The box is a good idea, imo. But don't despair - this could just be temporary. Maybe she's working things out in her marriage or whatever and just can't deal with anyone else right now. Perhaps she and sil aren't in contact with his side of the family either. Maybe all of a sudden you'll hear from her. Wait and see...

Yogagirl, of course it's nice to post a wedding picture of nd and her dh! It's a thing of joy and pride! Maybe the poster who criticized you thought it was a photo of ed's wedding, which would be a whole other story.

True, both you and nd have to realize that anybody can read here. Just because you only intended to share with friends doesn't mean other people can't see it. But so what? As I said, a wedding picture is a joyous thing.

It is scary what people can find just from a little bit of information here on the 'net. But it's not as if they have nd's address or anything. As you point out, all they have is her closed fb page. This just goes to show the importance of keeping your fb page secure more than anything else.

Besides, nd was ok with it, so you did nothing wrong. Please don't be upset over this.

Celebgran, I'm sorry you have been driven away. I hope you have a good break from all this and come on back.

Pleased To report that one insulting poster has been banned
However yogagirl i am Still very wary

C u o. Fbook!

It's disgraceful saying that about your nephew wedding

Even worse it was said I stopped my daughter sending flowers to her grandad funeral!it was taken off and poster banned for that I a. Extremely grateful or I would have gone to police.

There is a law to prevent insults on forums or social media.

Sorry iPad meant nice daughter Yogagirl !

Parklife I am so sorry you have joined our little club. Is it possible your daughter is being pressurised by her husband to break ties with your family? I`m afraid that the majority of us here have found that it is a partner who starts the estrangement.
Just a warning - those of us who do post here often find that we are accused by others of having done something to cause the problem. If that happens take no notice - we are only too well aware that estrangement can be totally unprovoked.