Continued support and fun aspects too of rebuilding lives after estrangement can't believe 4 years and we still here to offer help, friendship and support.

Those shoes should come with a warning. I would wear them, but then suffer for weeks. Whatever you do, do not work in that shop if you want a normal life. I love shoes, like works if art some of them. I am still recovering from sending the most expensive shoes I have ever bought,to the local hospice shop, they were like cindarella shoes but with the highest heels, richly embroidered, the first time I wore them I fell off them and badly sprained my ankle, I kept the shoes about another 5 years, regularly got them out with my other pretty but unwearable ones and them one day, bundled them up and took them to local hospice shop, I felt virtuous but traumatised. Afraid I now think comfort, find wedges can be pretty and yet comfortable. Good luck wearing them Smileless, they are gorgeous and will turn heads, just hold on tight to Hubble.

Thanks Minty, I've signed the petition.

You're very welcome to join us ninathenana, just sorry that you need too. That is the excuse they make, that they're preventing us from seeing our GC in order to protect them. It's BS of course because what they're actually doing is using their own children as weapons.

I have an email from our ES in which he says 'we'll never stop you seeing ..... because we know how much you love him' which is precisely why they did stop us; they knew how much we love him and knew how much it would hurt.

Still haven't made my mind up about applying for the job eddiecat. TBH I really like my life the way it is now. Mr. S. has 2 days plus Sunday's off a week (when there isn't a staff member on holiday) and I'm loving the extra time we spend together.

I work from home one day a week and haven't gone out to work for over 5 years. I gave up my gift shop because I was supposed to be having our GC at least 2 days a week when she went back to work; never happened of course. Then there's my little dog; he's always had me here every day and I'm not sure I want to leave him for long periods. I could always see if they'll do discount for quantity; care to join me for a shoe shopping day?.

We are their mother's SparklyGrandma and TBH that fact is just as unpleasant for me as it is for our ES. We see all of the cards and gifts in the shops knowing that we wont be receiving one, and they see them too, knowing that they wont be buying us one.

I'd rather have to live with myself not receiving anything than be the AC refusing to buy even a card for my own mother.

Should anyone be interested there is a petition that went live this week for the rights of grandchildren petition.parliament.uk/petitions/188381

So sorry, ninathenana. (((Hugs)))

Thankyou both.
I've never needed to look at this thread before. I know how supportive GN's are for each other.
annsixty he claims he's doing it for them "as they've suffered enough emotionaly already" I guess that's the excuse made by many.

Hi ninathenana, I am so sorry to read your post today.
There is lots of help and support out there, and I am sure you will receive plenty of support here.

His side first and always and s.d the kids feelings. So sad for you.

Can I join you all.
Up until now even though D's estranged H has residency for GSx2 (nothing legal in place) and is in constant despute with D over her access he has always allowed them to visit us. I loath the way he has treated D in the 15 yrs she's known him but have always been outwardly friendly towards him.
I texted him last week to ask for the GC for a day but it seems we are now to be punished over his desputes with D. I was told "It aint happening" despite him telling me after the break up that he would never stop us seeing them so I sent him a restrained e-mail pointing out a few things. Last night he replied with his side of things and instructed me not to contact him again so we are now estranged from our GC
Sorry I needed to get that off my chest

Smileless - you should definitely take the job (discount for friends?)

Smileless2012 those shoes are magnificent, even though I couldn't wear anything so glamorous.....

Mothers Day....Parklife some years I try to ignore it and others I do something with my own mother who I am lucky to still have.

we will always miss our adult children and it will always be painful. But we are still mothers and we can celebrate all that love from our children when tiny, how we successfully brought them up - have some chocolate, wine (if you imbibe) then get on with our day.

we are still mothers, ladies

Well there's even more news on the shoe front. The shop where we bought them has only just opened and the owner's looking for part time staff. I said that sounded interesting and she's asked me to let her have my CV. She's looking for people with experience; that's me and who is passionate about shoes and handbags; yep, that's me again so I'm thinking about it.

I told Mr. S. she could pay me in shoes. My lovely d.i.l. will be thrilled with my latest addition as she takes the same size and I've told her she can have them when I've gone providing I don't want to be buried with them of course.

That`s it Smileless - I`ve gone right off you. Fabulous shoes - and you live by the sea!

Blimey, those are outrageous! Jimmy Choo shoes are in my dreams only. I used to have very stylish shoes, but can't wear heels so high any more.

OMG I don't believe it; Mr. S. has just gone out and I've managed to do it myself, trouble is I'm not sure how. Is it because I typed my message first?????

Technical hitch, we've taken a pic and when we hit 'Choose File' we can see it but can't post it into the message box so come on ladies, help required.

I don't know eddicat, I'll ask Mr. S. if he can take a pic and put it on here. It's my fourth pair and by far the most outrageous eye catching ones I have.

They're works of art for your feet and I've asked him to put up some shelves in the dressing room so I can have them on display, along side my Jimmy Choo's (2 pairs) and a beautiful pair I got in Harrogate which are black velvet with diamante bows.

I'm a shoe fanatic I'm afraid; poor Mr. S.

Smileless - Irregular choice shoes - you lucky thing! Is there anyway we can see them? I really really wanted some for my daughter`s wedding but my feet are too wide (sob)

You are funny Luckylegs, thanks for making me. Look on the bright side, you could have eaten the baguette, ham and pickles without having done a 5 mile walk before hand so it could have been worse.

Mr. S. bought me my birthday present today even though it's not until May. I saw a fab pair of Irregular Choice shoes that I simply had to have and the plus was they go with my new dress perfectly.

ParklifeI wish you could ignore Mothers Day, that we all could but of course we can't. Your plan to indulge and allow some wallowing time sounds like the way to go. You will pick yourself up once it's over and we'll be here to give you a lift if you need one. The firsts of everything following estrangement are the worst.

I love nuts Celeb, always have done and always will.

This exercise is not working, the more I do the more calories I need. A boot camp beckons.

Parklife ???

Sadly I am a nutcase and It still hurts me like hell 8 years on I a. So lucky wonderful son but I a abhor the fact my daughter no longer cares if I live or die.

So in my case Mother's Day never gets better I just deal with it better I guess,

Agree lucky legs it's in my face everywhere, flowers, cards, pressies for your mum. My ed must be cold as ice,

This will be the first Mother's Day estranged for me, so I'm trying to ignore it. Impossible, I know. I'll be on my own as DH is at a conference.

I think that I'll just indulge myself and wallow for a while and then pick myself up and carry on. It's another of the 'firsts' and it'll be better afterwards.

Asmileless, If asked if its new say, well it was when I bought it, thought I would bring it out again. ySure he will appreciate seeing you looking glamouress. I would have to be on last legs to go out without trying to look my best. If I feel I look ok it makes me have a bit more confidence. I think that since Christmas my face looks awful, old and tired, as I haven't had a good nights sleep for ages, but I sit in front of the mirror and slap polyfiller where it's worse and make the most I can of my eyes, although the bags are spoiling the effect somewhat. I have booked up to have a facial and pedicure on Friday, it is not often I do that but I feel now I need all the help I cab, today I walked 5 miles and was so hungry at the end of it that I are a whole crusty baguette with butter,ham and pickles so kicking myself that my diet didn't last a day.
Is it my imagination, but I have never seen so many Mother's Day cards and toys for mom, just what we don't need, talk about rubbing it in.

Oooh, methinks a manicure and pedicure may be in order when we meet up in July Celeb. You do well to manage your own pedicure with your back pain. Hope you both manage to relax and enjoy your weekend away.

You're absolutely right, we can only second guess when our only frame of reference is their outward appearance. He may well have thought I didn't give a damn when we were still living there as I always made sure I looked very presentable just in case I happened to see them.

You do make me laugh Luckylegs, how on earth did you manage to hit yourself when power walking with a can in each hand? Perhaps you were over enthusiastic with your arm swings.

Had a good session at the gym this morning then bought a new outfit for a wedding we're going too at the end of the month. I'd already bought one for the Christening which I was going to wear for the wedding too but I saw a lovely dress and went for it. I haven't worn a dress or skirt for ages. If Mr. S. complains, I'll blame you Luckylegs for getting your legs out and putting the idea in my head. Not that he will of course, bless him. If he asks me if it's new, I might go for the tried and tested 'oh no, I've had it for ages which just shows you don't pay much attention to my attire.

Good jewels flip flops sound good luckylegs, if you were nearer would do you pedicure! I still have handful ref clients.

I have. E pretty new silver flip flops thanks for reminding me. Must go now!x

Oh lucklegs your unthink same as me!

Even after 8 years instruggle with Mother's Day, it hurts so badly and we are bombarded with it from all angles, I told my son no expensive flowers just card they need every penny, thank you luckylegs we are Beene thrilled for them.

Dear husband taking me away for night to potters on. MOthers day so that will take mind off it!

No lucky I was just sitting In Garden and reflecting that yes I can be quick temepred, I am quick thinker so get impatient, but I know I am kind and thoughtful most of time and never in million years could I have hurt my dear mum way I have been hurt, or even a. Acquaintance it isn't in me to do it.
So I agree how they can be so cruel is An issue beyond my comprehension

Well dh work, off to acquacise now, damn tablets on day of official weigh in put on 2 half pounds so fed up I maynas well hav eaten chocolate and cake!

We away this weekend make up for one we cancelled when i was in a and e last December, will do us good.
Thanks god dh is pharmacist have had go back on codeine slo release morphine just not enough for my sever pain.

Happy Tuesday all yogagirl where are you? Sos ???