Burnham - rejoin Europe in one shape or form?

Exactly Rosie51
The EU could tell us to where to stick our desire to rejoin - and who could blame them?
We need to make Brexit work and forget about rejoining.

I voted remain and still wish we had. Do those now enthusiastically trumpeting rejoin think that decision is solely down to the UK? The French under de Gaulle twice used their veto to block the UK's application for membership in the 60s. While I don't think there would be a veto used now, the terms of membership might make rejoining unacceptable. We cannot rejoin at any cost, terms must be fair to all. I hope some advancement to at least closer ties can be made soon.

It's three years till next GE- so a case of wait and see.

The majority of the public wish were never left the EU and it was a mistake to do so. Can't see the number of people changing their mind any time soon.

Oreo

I can’t believe we will rejoin the EU.

Me neither Oreo it’s all puff and nonsense I’d bet my house on it (if I had one).

I’m happy to stay out -
No surprise there though.

Sounds like parents who currently pay 28% VAT on schools fees will defiantly be highly motivated to vote for any party that proposes to rejoin the EU then.

Other voters will also think whether their financial and other interest lie in staying out of EU or rejoining and similarly vote accordingly.

Sago

Labour wont like having to remove the VAT on private school fees if we rejoin the EU.

The cruellest decision they ever made as it penalised parents of SEND children, many of them not able to find the extra money so had to remove their children back into mainstream education which had failed them in the first place.

I can’t believe we will rejoin the EU.

Labour wont like having to remove the VAT on private school fees if we rejoin the EU.

Well, well, well.

Other parties - please note. Decide on a pragmatic basis it's worth looking at ...gasp...^actual compromises^ to help business people.

The promises at the time - who can forget - about the wonderful opportunities in World Trade we would get by leaving - because of the hard Brexit imposed on all of us - and where are they now?

This will make the pro Europe supporters happy, from the Independent.
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When we left the EU the assumption was that trade with America would increase. Who could have foresaw a mad man like Trump becoming president. Someone was talking about Brexit on Sky News the other night and said what is the point of banging on about it because it hasn’t affected him in any way. And I just thought, how selfish; have you no thought for the many people and businesses it has affected. Aren’t we now desperate to get fuel from the EU because they have the sense to store more than a few days fuel?

Sarnia

The EU is not the EU we voted to leave.

The far right, AdF are making great strides in Germany and Marine Le Pen is 36% ahead of her rivals to win the French Presidential election next year. Do we want the UK to follow suit?

Last year our GDP was higher than France, Italy and Germany so why do we need to rejoin the EU?

Europe are our allies and in this increasingly uncertain world we need to work together where defence is concerned but to go cap in hand and rejoin, NO!

Great strides in Germany ? No !
It is a small faction.
East Germany former Soviet Union.

WWM2. I'm in the camp the EU is not just the world's best defence against Trumpism and Putinism and the malice and misinformation they promote and on whcih they thrive.

Thats is apart from all the other reasons the UK is best in rather than out.

GrannyGravy13

If posters are correct and it is more a left wing thing to rejoin the EU how would they collaborate with what is beginning to look like an increasingly right leaning EU?

Quote from The Observer

“Sceptics may say the rise of the European hard right in the past decade makes rejoining less tempting. But if they look beyond Europe’s horizons they should see this as a reason to rejoin, not stay out. Reform, Restore, the AfD and France’s National Rally are of a piece with Trumpism and Putinism. The EU is the world’s best defence against the malice and misinformation on which they thrive. It needs and deserves Britain’s support as much as Britain would benefit from membership”

Thanks for the link Casdon- it sure is not just left or centre voters wish we had never left EU.

It is the case Conservative Party and Reform UK currently do not support rejoining. Its their choice whether to take that risk in retaining this as a manifesto pledge come next GE in context that strongly indicate the majority of the electorate support rejoining.

Here is the latest YouGov poll, which is split by party.
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It’s not only voters from left of centre parties who support rejoining, or closer ties according to this, there’s been a significant shift of people who voted leave.

Interesting point GG13

No plan and no BREXIT bonuses.

If posters are correct and it is more a left wing thing to rejoin the EU how would they collaborate with what is beginning to look like an increasingly right leaning EU?

I so agree MaizieD- and look at what a terrible BREXIT deal Boris et all negotiated- dire. Which underpins Cameron's disastrous decision to hold the referendum in the first place.....

Even Boris and Michael Gove were shocked and stunned for days. They also thought Remain vote would win out, and planned then to put an opposition platform against Cameron.

Which is why they had absolutely NO PLAN AT ALL for how leaving the EU would be achieved...

If the Tory and Reform UK parties continue with stay outside EU community position they mirror a minority of the electorate opinion. That weakens their chances at the next GE. Their position, their choice, informed electorate chooses party of choice and votes accordingly, election outcome known, winning party assumes sovereign rule re joining or remaining outside EU.

That's democracy. Cameron can and should have gone about the membership of EU much differently. His decision to hold a referendum was one of the worst PM decisions in modern history. Even Boris and Michael Gove were shocked and stunned for days. They also thought Remain vote would win out, and planned then to put an opposition platform against Cameron.

That is correct about the referendum. In fact referendums are never legally binding. The Brexit referendum was abysmally handled by Cameron and was wrong in so many ways.

The best way snd I think what almost certainly will happen is a number of progressive parties will have joining the EU in one form or another on their manifesto.

At present a very large majority of supporters of the ,left wing parties are keen to re-join one way or another. Only the Tory rump and reform voters (and not all of them) want to stay outside the EU community.

Casdon

Meandrogrog

Casdon

The government are giving the electorate the choice Meandrogrog. People who want to stay out of the EU won’t vote for them, people who want closer ties with Europe will. There is nothing undemocratic about that, and if the tide has turned, people who voted leave will have their turn to be aggrieved, as those who wanted to stay in the EU have had theirs. C’est la vie.

The government gave the electorate the choice in 2016 Casdon. It is undemocratic in the extreme to try to overturn the result. The electorate were told the result would be binding.

I am absolutely sure this would be your exact argument if Remain had won!

I agree with the poster who said why rehash it all. The government should just leave it be and focus on other priorities .

I think your heart thinks it must be undemocratic, rather than your head Meandrogrog. It isn’t. If it was, other parties would not be proposing changes to the status quo either.

Yes it is.