Telegraph and Reform

The Tories made a great many changes that blatantly were vote catchers like sale of council houses. On top of that higher pension allowances and lower taxes creating a wider wealth gap than ever in the UK

There is a lot to reverse

StoneofDestiny

Graphite How are Labour ruining our lives? You do know they have barely been in power in the last two decades? I have no knowledge of any Labour Party members inciting social unrest, out and out racism or street riots. I cannot see any evidence of Labour preying on the undereducated to get them to blame migrants for everything wrong in their lives. I know Labour did not push for Brexit, the worst mistake this country has made in a long time.
Do enlightened us all. Maybe you think that hanging flags off lamp posts and attacking our RNLI are fantastic initiatives that help our country?

I agree with everything you’ve stated.

However, it was not Graphite who stated Labour are ruining our country, though I too would love to see precisely how Labour are currently ruining our lives.

I can give precise examples of how lives were ruined under the Tories.

Mental Health Services being culled and “care in the community” certainly ruined a lot of lives.

Selling of council houses and not ring-fencing the proceeds to our use new stock.

Freezing the personal tax allowance.

Freezing Public Sector salaries.

Closing some 1,000 SureStart Centres.

Instigating Brexit.

I was personally directly impacted by at least two of the things on the list above and those things above are simply those that came to me within 3 minutes. I have no doubt that there are many more.

Graphite How are Labour ruining our lives? You do know they have barely been in power in the last two decades? I have no knowledge of any Labour Party members inciting social unrest, out and out racism or street riots. I cannot see any evidence of Labour preying on the undereducated to get them to blame migrants for everything wrong in their lives. I know Labour did not push for Brexit, the worst mistake this country has made in a long time.
Do enlightened us all. Maybe you think that hanging flags off lamp posts and attacking our RNLI are fantastic initiatives that help our country?

Actually, under a Labour govt when paying our share of taxes, we do get better services.

How many things closed or were shrunk during the party of low taxes, the Tories!

SureStart and children’s centres - disappeared completely or many shut.

Family Workers within Local Councils, the tier below Children’s Social Services, cut.

Youth Offending - cut
Youth Workers and Youth Clubs - cut
Community Centres - cut
Drug and Alcohol rehab services - closed and cut.

Social Housing sold off not replaced

Public Utilities sold
British Rail sold

Maremia

Not a chance, Mean, but well played. 👌

🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Not a chance, Mean, but well played. 👌

I admit to looking at the Matt cartoon😄

Meandrogrog

Maremia

How would Farage fund improvements to our services?

Why dont you vote Reform and we will all find out! 😱

No dont vote for Reform

Maremia

How would Farage fund improvements to our services?

Why dont you vote Reform and we will all find out! 😱

How would Farage fund improvements to our services?

David49

Meandrogrog

David49

A GE being called immediately after the budget would be a surprise, is it credible ?.
I don't see tax rises for workers, there are plenty of other options, CGT, IHT even VAT, that would yield big revenue, so no I don't expect an early election.

Why should we all be taxed more though? We already pay a lot. Our local council tax is eye watering just because we had the cheek to buy a new build!

In Greece tobacco is cheap because of low tax, although I am a non smoker, but I did notice it.

Oh I agree taxes are high but if we want a better NHS, Care services and Water Quality they gave to go up, there has to be less waste too but that alone isnt going to be enough.

Its always the argument given about wanting better services but do we get better services when taxes increase? I suspect not?

Meandrogrog

David49

A GE being called immediately after the budget would be a surprise, is it credible ?.
I don't see tax rises for workers, there are plenty of other options, CGT, IHT even VAT, that would yield big revenue, so no I don't expect an early election.

Why should we all be taxed more though? We already pay a lot. Our local council tax is eye watering just because we had the cheek to buy a new build!

In Greece tobacco is cheap because of low tax, although I am a non smoker, but I did notice it.

Oh I agree taxes are high but if we want a better NHS, Care services and Water Quality they gave to go up, there has to be less waste too but that alone isnt going to be enough.

David49

A GE being called immediately after the budget would be a surprise, is it credible ?.
I don't see tax rises for workers, there are plenty of other options, CGT, IHT even VAT, that would yield big revenue, so no I don't expect an early election.

Why should we all be taxed more though? We already pay a lot. Our local council tax is eye watering just because we had the cheek to buy a new build!

In Greece tobacco is cheap because of low tax, although I am a non smoker, but I did notice it.

A GE being called immediately after the budget would be a surprise, is it credible ?.
I don't see tax rises for workers, there are plenty of other options, CGT, IHT even VAT, that would yield big revenue, so no I don't expect an early election.

Cruiselover

Cossy

Farage also writes for The Telegraph, which though quite right leaning, used to be a good source of news.

Our country is turning into a pathetic pitiful mess and i don’t mean because of migrant issues!

It’s doesn’t lessen the issues around AS arriving en masse, nor the problems of places like Piddington, which are real and require resolving,

However, like it or not, attempts to control our politics and media by political parties receiving funding from dubious billionaires brings us closer and closer to Trump and Musk realities.

I, for one, simply deplore this.

To the others, who support Reform and Restore, I can only say, be very careful what you wish for!

Right now we have no choice, unless we vote for change the UK is finished as we know it. Labour are destroying our lives but by bit, they are all Fabian Society members 😱 all following the same agenda.

So yes be very careful who you vote for, there's talk of a GE being called on 15th November because Burnham knows he is sinking fast, he will hold off on the budget because of the GE, the budget is set to rise all taxes, crushing the workers (again) and helping anyone that doesn't work or here illegally.
We have to vote for something different, so yes be very careful what you wish for.
We are in this mess because remember the last election our left wing media were all chanting ' anyone but the Tories' and here we are , in the toilet. Thanks to Labour.

I so agree with this 👏👏👏👏😂

Think back in history to the 1930's and Sir Oswald Moseley's Blackshirts - Reform and Restore are, IMHO, pretty near to being the 21st century equivalent.

And if either party got into power I imagine they would emulate the Nazi party's actions when they achieved the upper hand, ie: abolish the free press, Telegraph included.

Probably a disgruntled Telegraph journo has been appointed to the Guardian and is letting rip. Wouldn’t trust any of them.

Whilst I don't doubt that The Telegraph is Farage's mouthpiece, I am not sure that a report in The Guardian telling us this is much of a surprise as it leans very much to the left. I think you just have to read a range of articles on the same news to get a balance.

Yes David, clickbait wins.

All media has to justify its existence they don't just print the facts they dramatise them by adding uncertainty and doubt about any consequences. The more extreme the predictions the more attention they get, the more viewers believe them, political decisions are very often made for all the wrong reasons.

Thats the weakness of democracy it allows media pressure to affect government, the wealthy exploit weak policy the poor get little

Blimey Cruiselover! You’ve got your knickers in a knot!

Oh, by the way, I’m a Fabian,

What ignorance. the Fabian society is old style social democratic style

And members are not even all in the Labour Party never particularly left

well not for about 80 years plus 🤣.

Where do people get these notions from?

David49

The Torygraph supports right wing opinions the Tories under Badenough has gone soft but they have not. I do pick up the Telegraph occasionally at the local cafe but only to have a good laugh, a lot of others believe every word.

That's funny that because many different people I know say exactly the same about a number of other papers.

OldFrill

The report is in the Guardian

‘Significant unease’ at the Telegraph over Reform using outlet for ‘spoiler’ tactics | Telegraph Media Group | The Guardian share.google/snM0UTOagLUkWhYq7

That's funny that because many different people I know say exactly the same about a number of other papers.

The only PM's who did anything useful for the masses were Attlee and those that followed until after dear old Harold Wilson.I don't think politicians care anymore