A new definition of what constitutes British

Where does that leave children born by IVF using either donor sperm or eggs? It's absolute nonsense isn't it? The idea of racial superiority or identity is as ridiculous as the idea of a British culture that is represented by cricket on the village green and Morris dancing!

Oh dear! That’s our children f***

Father, my DH born in Ireland, still only holds Irish passport, Mother, me, born in Singapore, with Canadian born biological father!

Shall we pack our bags now??

Guess it doesn’t count that we both moved to the UK prior to Primary School, that our parents worked and paid taxes, that we worked and paid taxes?

Mind you, we are all “white”….😱😱

0/10 for stupid idea, must try harder!
10/10 for racist idiocy!

DAR

Yes

MawsRosie

Maremia

It may not replicate the past, MR, but it certainly resonates, doesn't it?

Does it?
Silly posturing and shot down from all sides.
Pity Hitler didn’t meet with the same reaction - that’s one of the BIG differences between the two nations .

Hitler did meet with strong opposition. He wasn't greeted with universal enthusiasm. Before taking power, he was opposed by political parties across Germany, trade unions, many newspapers, intellectuals, religious figures, and millions of ordinary voters. After he became dictator in 1933, open opposition became far less visible because opponents were arrested, imprisoned, exiled, or killed. The lack of public resistance after that reflected the reality of a totalitarian police state, not widespread agreement.

In Germany's last free election (November 1932), the Nazi Party received about 33% of the vote—not a majority. Most Germans voted for other parties. Hitler became Chancellor through political bargaining, not because the entire country demanded him. After taking power, the Nazis outlawed other political parties, censored the press, and used organizations like the Gestapo to suppress dissent. There were genuine resistance movements, including the White Rose students, the July 20 plotters, many church leaders, communists, social democrats, and countless individuals who paid with imprisonment or their lives.

Opposition didn't disappear because everyone agreed with Hitler; it became extraordinarily dangerous! And yet you paint us a superior nation!

Oh dear that excludes all my children then, shame really one just worked 40 years in the NHS

Makes you laugh a few short years ago when the dreaded Brexit happened everyone was clamouring to get Irish passports from long lost grandparents so they could still own a European passport 🤣🤣🤣

Even worse not one of my 7 grandkids was born in Britain
🤣🤣🤣but the ones still here pay taxes and work hard

Sorry Nana8 you say Restore make Reform look like a bunch of lefties. They are the real racists, not Reform.
Nana8 they are two sides of exactly the same coin

Maremia

It may not replicate the past, MR, but it certainly resonates, doesn't it?

Does it?
Silly posturing and shot down from all sides.
Pity Hitler didn’t meet with the same reaction - that’s one of the BIG differences between the two nations .

He’d never get away with it in a million years. Just silly. Makes you wonder about his sanity really.

It may not replicate the past, MR, but it certainly resonates, doesn't it?

Both parents, plus yourself, must have seen every Ealing Comedy ever made, but especially any which star Sir Alec Guinness.

My dd2 was born in Abu Dhabi. TBH she’s unlikely to have children (has often said she’d rather have a 🐶) but presumably if she ever did, they’d be denied citizenship.

None of my children are ok then as their father was born in India!

Doodledog. And that's why I keep urging people not to divulge too much about themselves on social media including this platform.

Reform UK are building a massive database of information about people and refusing to say exactly what they hold. It's why the Good Law Project are pursuing them through the High Court:

Reform has also used a powerful software tool called NationBuilder. That tool can be used to do something called micro-targeting, by scraping social media and commercial databases and building deep profiles of voters. Companies can stalk your internet existence – your Facebook posts, your shopping, your YouTube habit – and then use all that information to stoke division and hate.

goodlawproject.org/update/farages-reform-is-collecting-your-data-heres-why/

Latest:

goodlawproject.org/high-court-rejects-reforms-bid-to-throw-out-our-challenge/

The similar policy didn't bode well when implemented in Germany and will not bode well for the UK if implemented here- no matter what differences and similarities of political and economic situations.

It is a badly thought-out idea, but this is the sort of thing that gives me pause when ID cards are mooted. People say 'if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear' etc, but it's not a huge leap to understand that people with nothing to hide about having 'non-British' parents could find that they have something to fear if a future government (eg Restore) decides to repatriate the new 'foreigners'. It's clear that many Gransnetters and their families would be in the firing line - something that would have been inconceivable ten years ago.

Maremia

Timely reminder DAR about how a similar policy panned out in Germany.

Very different political and economic situations.
While it is absolutely right to learn from history, it is rarely as clearcut as this interpretation suggests.

Timely reminder DAR about how a similar policy panned out in Germany.

nanna8

Well my ancestors go back to the Plantaganets in a direct line but I have a feeling they were more French than British. Bloody foreigners.

You probably know this your Royal Highness, but it seems that millions of people with European ancestry are direct descendants of the Plantagenets. While the legitimate, unbroken male royal line ended with the death of Richard III in 1485 countless modern families—including the British royal family and various European aristocrats—inherit Plantagenet blood through female lines and documented cadet or illegitimate branches.

This would make hundreds, of not thousands, of forces children, including mine, stateless. What a stupid idea

Difficult to say. My son was born in a British Military Hospital in Singapore. The hospital was considered to be British Sovereign Territory. He has both a British birth certificate and a Singaporean birth certificate so in effect he had dual nationality. My daughter was born in an American Military hospital on a large NATO base but the hospital was considered to be soley the territory of the Americans, so who knows where she would belong. She does have a British birth certificate.

And yes, it is indeed a stupid, ill thought through idea.

Wish me luck as you wave me goodbye 🥺

Father was Polish

I heard the interview too and could scarcely believe what I was hearing. Rupert Lowe sounded deranged spouting on and on. I really wondered if he knew what he was saying.
I think I must come from superior stock as I am Yorkshire born and bred and we all know that Yorkshire is the best of the counties.Mind I have lived in other parts, ooh could make me loose a few points and I did not marry a Yorkshireman. I can play cricket for the county though .

What about my DD’s children born from with the help of a sperm donor from Denmark?

Sorry, I seem to have attached my answer to the wrong quotation.

Whitewavemark2

That’s two superiors then. 😊

Question

If you are not British because your parents were not born in the U.K., but you marry a superior British person, does that mean your offspring are British or not, as you do not have British status?

Anyone think that it is time to disband Restore😄😄😊

If the parallel to the Nurnberg Laws hold, then no children of a British person by a non-British, will be classified as half British, the children's children as some lesser fraction of Britishness, depending on the status of the person the half-British has children with.

The Nazis categorised people as half- one-quarter, three quarter and various other fractions Jewish, Slav, Romani, Maygar, etc. depending on how many of the individual's parents, grand-parents, great-grandparents and great-great grandparents were not Arians.

So start scrutenising your family tree!

Who Does He Think He Is I wonder?

Rupert Lowe’s son, Oxford-born Angus Lowe recently married foreign national Yasmin Mezran.

Yasmin is the daughter of a Muslim Libyan father and Italian mother. Her father is Karim Mezran, a Libyan academic and senior fellow at the Washington DC based Rafik Hariri Center for the Middle East.

www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/karim-mezran/

According to Lowe then, if any grandchildren from this union are born in the UK, they are not going to be British despite the rules saying that for anyone born in the UK on or after January 1, 1983:

You are a citizen if at least one parent was a British citizen or legally "settled" in the UK at the time of your birth.

When he prattles on about "wanting his country back", from whom does he mean exactly?