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Gaza, I despair.

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greyfur Thu 16-Jul-26 21:00:19

What those people must be going through. Having had a few hot days gives us some understanding. To be without water and a home in the heat.The whole place is destroyed. And now Trump is waiting for Netanyahu to finish it off.

Wyllow3 Sat 18-Jul-26 14:49:23

I'll keep putting Haaretz stuff up but be selective.

I just hated having no information going out.

BTW, whats happening as per above in the USA now hostile to the regime is pretty interesting stuff = -its not students camping out anymore at all, its mainstream. The USA is losing control, but OTOH is still funding the current regime to a vast extent.

Maremia Sat 18-Jul-26 12:30:07

Thanks Wyllow. Will read your posts again later.
Such a lot to take in.

Wyllow3 Sat 18-Jul-26 09:55:34

In the edition before some interesting news from the USA!

Vance says Israel 'losing the battle for U.S. public opinion

Nearly half of U.S. House Democrats – including some of Israel's staunchest supportersvoted on Wednesday in favor of halting U.S. aid to Israel.

Although the amendment ultimately failed, the vote marked a significant milestone, underscoring how dramatically Israel's standing within the Democratic Party has shifted.

Despite intense lobbying by pro-Israel and Jewish establishment groups against the amendment leading up to the vote, Democratic lawmakers have become increasingly attuned to the role U.S.-Israel policy is playing in primary races across the country, including several recent victories by progressive candidates.

Many House Democrats supported the amendment to signal that unconditional military aid to Israel is no longer acceptable. Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi – one of the most influential Democrats in the history of the U.S.-Israel relationship – said she would vote in favor of the amendment "for the good of the Israeli people and the Palestinian people."

Meanwhile, Vice President Vance said in an interview on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast on Wednesday that Israel is "losing the battle" for public opinion in the U.S. He made the remarks while discussing reports of an Israeli influence campaign targeting conservative Americans, as well as the Trump administration's Iran policy.

and Palestinians report settler raids as Israel allocates $330 million for West Bank settlements

Wyllow3 Sat 18-Jul-26 09:50:53

I shall start as much as possible by posting the Haaretz headlines on this thread, I get a daily email as I free subscribe. It shocking what is going on overall but this gives a peep

This first is on a very hot election issue indeed - a judiciary that is no longer independent asfter laws passed

*"Key Netanyahu ally says ‘we do not recognize the courts’ after top court freezes law defending draft evaders"

details as its really significant on this one

"
Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi speaks at a conference in Netanya, July.
Key Netanyahu ally says ‘we do not recognize the courts’ after top court freezes law defending draft evaders

Overnight into Friday, the Knesset voted to dissolve itself after approving a series of controversial bills aimed at weakening Israel's judiciary and benefiting the ultra-Orthodox parties

A few hours earlier, it passed Communications Minister Karhi's broadcasting bill, despite warnings that it would significantly expand government influence over the country's television and radio sector. During debates on the legislation over the past year, Karhi accused Israeli media outlets of spreading propaganda and even blamed them in part for the conditions that led to Hamas' October 7, 2023, attack.

As part of the reform, Israel's current media watchdog would be replaced with a new body, the majority of whose members would be appointed by the communications minister. This new authority could also could set rules for how viewership data are collected and published, allowing the government to manipulate ratings to favor friendly outlets.

In addition, all channels, regardless of platform, would fall under the same licensing as content or news providers, which would grant the government oversight over nearly every online video content creator.

Speaking at the Knesset after the bill passed, Karhi said "we've defeated the deep state," and claimed that the reform gives the public the freedom "to decide whom to watch, whom to listen to and what to pay for."

Meanwhile, Arye Dery, chairman of the ultra-Orthodox Shas party and a key member of Netanyahu's coalition, told a Haredi news site that "we do not recognize [the courts'] authority; they no longer have authority over us," further escalating the government's attack on Israel's judicial system.

Dery's tantrum, which included questions such as "what do we have in court? Why do we need to go defend ourselves there, to play this game?" came after the High Court froze a law that would shield Haredi draft evaders from arrest.

The last six days of the Knesset session could have been Netanyahu's last chance to win back a shred of legitimacy, to don the appearance of a genuine statesman who serves the country's majority. Instead, his office shelved dozens of bills that were part of a consensus, that, as Menachem Begin put it, "benefit the people" (including a bill designed to ease traffic).

Instead, it favored bills that crush democracy, support draft evasion, subordinate the media to politicians and promote gender segregation in academia"

Israel's Knesset Approves Bill Legalising Gender Segregation in Universities

*In threat to press freedom, Shin Bet seeks to probe alleged leak about attack on Iran - Israeli Rights Groups Alarmed Over Reports Shin Bet Tracking Reporters.

*The Netanyahu Regime's Black Boxes Must Be Revealed

*ICC Prosecutor's Aide Goes Public in Sex Misconduct Case, Denies Israel Ties

*Despite IDF Demands, Knesset Keeps Mandatory Military Service at 32 Months

Other Haaretz editions have news of numbers killed by settlers on the West Bank and Gaza news, I'll try to find them most of all.

Maremia Fri 17-Jul-26 22:41:41

Some interesting comments by Andy Burnam about British bombs not to be available.

Maremia Fri 17-Jul-26 15:36:31

Is it known if Starmer ever reversed that opinion?
I know there was a statement in the House of Commens about the right to a Palestinian State.

MaizieD Fri 17-Jul-26 14:00:05

Sorry but that sounds like both hearsay and a disgusting thing to say about our (ex) PM

Sorry, Cossy, but when it's absolutely on record that Starmer said, at the beginning of Israel's action against the Palestinians, that Israel had a right to cut off food and power supplies to Gaza I think there is some justification for Samwam's beliefs.

That was a disgusting thing to say, too...

Maremia Fri 17-Jul-26 13:47:59

Yes, AGAA4, Netanyahu is putting the State of Israel, and as a result, the people of Israel, in danger, by alienating those who used to be staunch allies.
He is already named as a war criminal, in certain jurisdictions, because of what has been done to the people of Gaza.

Maremia Fri 17-Jul-26 13:42:53

I have never, ever, in any of the long Gaza Threads read a post in support of Hamas.
They are a prescribed organisation.

AGAA4 Fri 17-Jul-26 13:28:29

Netanyahu and his associates Ben-Gvir and Smotrich are the most despicable of creatures. The amount of blood on their hands can never be washed away.

Maremia Fri 17-Jul-26 13:19:11

Already condemned by some as genocide, the treatment of the people of Gaza is inhumane.
The treatment of the Palestinians in the West Bank is considered to be illegal.

Maremia Fri 17-Jul-26 13:16:06

Netanyahu persuaded Trump to bomb Iran.
Previous Presidents declined the invitation.
Because of this, the state of Israel is losing the iron clad support once guaranteed from the US.

valdali Fri 17-Jul-26 13:02:56

Yes Foxie, & not only that, antisemitism seems to be on the rise as well, & why is that if not because of the condemnation of Israel that Netanyahu's precipitated? It emboldens those who like to hate, but it is the truth & needs speaking.
I know the Jewish diaspora bear no responsibility for Gaza, but not everyone makes this distinction.

AGAA4 Fri 17-Jul-26 11:24:08

Samwam

It was.mentioned by the surgeon in interview. He said he tried to tell Starmer about the atrocities he saw happening and tried to treat but Starmer didn't want to know.

Information from the Morning Star, a communist newspaper, I will take with a huge barrel of salt.

foxie48 Fri 17-Jul-26 11:23:32

Netanyahu and his alliances have bought world wide condemnation for Israel and has greatly weakened the support of Americans. Israel now occupies 60% of Gaza and there is a large buffer zone that is not included in that 60%. The treatment of Gazans is inhumane and Netanyahu's troops are still moving forward into new areas. The board of Peace has cancelled it's plan for large areas of reconstruction because they are unsure that it won't get bombed to bits by the IDF. It's disgusting.

Samwam Fri 17-Jul-26 10:43:37

It was.mentioned by the surgeon in interview. He said he tried to tell Starmer about the atrocities he saw happening and tried to treat but Starmer didn't want to know.

Sarnia Fri 17-Jul-26 08:26:57

Whitewavemark2

The Board of Peace? There’s a misnomer if ever I’ve heard one!

Quite. Tony Blair is a member, I think. Enough said!!!

Cossy Fri 17-Jul-26 08:15:38

Samwam

Lots of doctors who worked in Gaza wanted to meet with Kier Starmer he agreed to meet over zoom but didn't want to see the photos of the injured. The surgeon explained babies died because Isreal wouldn't allow food in
Snipers killing children.

The surgeon has now made a film about Gaza.

I guess as Starmer was complicit in the genocide its not much he could say could he.

Sorry but that sounds like both hearsay and a disgusting thing to say about our (ex) PM

Trump and Netanyahu and Hamas are complicit!

All power to all and any medical staff working in war zones!

greyfur Fri 17-Jul-26 08:01:56

On a very basic, human level, I felt a bit rough in the heat. It made me think about those people there.

Samwam Fri 17-Jul-26 08:00:49

Morning Star

Sanction
Isreal
Now

MP and peers demand action on 2nd anniversary of ICJ tribunal.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-Jul-26 08:00:40

Hell - if there is such a place is too good for Netanyahu.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-Jul-26 07:58:32

The Board of Peace? There’s a misnomer if ever I’ve heard one!

Sarnia Fri 17-Jul-26 07:39:33

Cossy

Again, I stress, it’s Netanyahu I have an issue with, not the people of Israel, not the Jewish community world wide and I certainly don’t support Hamas or their regime.

Innocent men, women and children are being displaced, murdered or starved.

Netanyahu is the culprit for me, too. I'm sure he was the instigator for Trump to start his illegal war on Iran. It's tragic that as time goes by we seem to forget about Gaza.
What is the Board of Peace doing about any of this?

Samwam Fri 17-Jul-26 07:39:23

Lots of doctors who worked in Gaza wanted to meet with Kier Starmer he agreed to meet over zoom but didn't want to see the photos of the injured. The surgeon explained babies died because Isreal wouldn't allow food in
Snipers killing children.

The surgeon has now made a film about Gaza.

I guess as Starmer was complicit in the genocide its not much he could say could he.

Cossy Fri 17-Jul-26 07:27:34

Again, I stress, it’s Netanyahu I have an issue with, not the people of Israel, not the Jewish community world wide and I certainly don’t support Hamas or their regime.

Innocent men, women and children are being displaced, murdered or starved.