Gaza, I despair.

AGAA4 is right.

Look at this wikipedia article.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_support_for_Hamas#:~:text=In%20a%20controversial%20deal%2C%20Israel's,establishment%20of%20a%20Palestinian%20state.

quote from within the article

In a controversial deal, Israel's government under Benjamin Netanyahu supported Qatar's payments to Hamas for many years in the hope that it would turn Hamas into an effective counterweight to the Palestinian Authority and prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.[8]

So some posters above need to adjust their view?

Netanyahu did fund Hamas through Qatar. He wanted rid of the Palestinian state and thought that arming Hamas to fight against them would work but as The Times of Israel stated it "blew up in our faces".

So yes Netanyahu is responsible for starting Hamas.

Why did Netanyahu give that money to Hamas, way back then?
Learned about that on a GN Thread?

Trust HAMAS? 🤣

In 2005, Israel withdrew from Gaza. Every settlement was dismantled. Every permanently stationed Israeli soldier left. The world hoped Gaza would become a model for Palestinian self-government and a stepping stone to peace.
Instead, Hamas turned it into a fortress.
After winning the 2006 elections, Hamas violently seized power in 2007, murdered it’s opposition, driving Fatah from Gaza and ending any prospect of democratic rule. In keeping with the Middle East, other than Israel, there have been no further elections. Political opponents were eliminated, dissent was crushed and Gaza was armed by Iran and a became another Islamist dictatorship.

Hamas has only one aim and that is to eradicate all Jews.

I did have hopes when I read of the plan this morning.

Yes, wait and see.

HAMAS are ultimately a mafia-style paramilitary group making vast sums of money using all those concrete tunnels. The Gaza conflict gave them legitimacy in the eyes of the left wing. But ultimately, they are criminals. And criminals, as we know, keep their guns.

Personally I am at the point where I do not believe the current POTUS’s announcements on Truth Social.

When they fail to happen it is always someone else’s fault…

Apparently the HAMAS Covenant in which they vow never to stop their Jihad until Israel and every Jew is wiped off the face of the earth. They are simply buying time.

You are right Whitewave. It will be another of Trump's plans that doesn't work.
Israel wants to take the whole of Gaza bit by bit so will not agree.
Not sure what Hamas is thinking but it seems unlikely they will give in at Trump's request.

AGAA4

Hamas has agreed to Trump's plan to disarm in Gaza. Israel have yet to respond.
This is good news if it actually happens but I will wait and see.

It would mean Israel would withdraw from Gaza and the settlers removed.

Not a hope in hell

Hamas has changed of plan “ to kill all Jews” ! ?

Hamas has agreed to Trump's plan to disarm in Gaza. Israel have yet to respond.
This is good news if it actually happens but I will wait and see.

It would mean Israel would withdraw from Gaza and the settlers removed.

Oh I so hope...but I also hope it will mean their well being is better respected.

I did not know that, about female education in Iran.

Came on to say that there are reports about Hamas giving up weapons.
Has been promised before, so will wait and see.

Yes they did. And very evil too. and as recently as last year March/April 25. There has been some change but the laws remain the same. But when we are getting invented AI information prepared by the CIA...

Its a matter of looking at what is happening now, and being aware of invented information, but also be clear around assumptions about womens position in society as opposed to the stereotype as in some assuming its like Afghanistan or similar.

Wyllow3 Amnesty International have details of hangings, along with violence and imprisonment of protesters.

Yes I am aware that women are in medical positions and participate in higher education in Iran.

I do not get my news/information from the current POTUS

( I should add I am acquainted with an Iranian academic in my city, whom I talk to regularly. He is not religious and of course hostile to the regime

- but he does have a sister in Terhran and is au fait with the realities not the falsehoods put out by Trump or the Iranian regime - but I always check what he says as far as possible. I had no idea women had so much access to higher and further education and professional life for example.)

Be aware of false news coming out - GG13 you say

"Iran where young girls are being hung for protesting along with anyone who opposes the regime"

No. Trump claimed they were and showed 8 images of young women who turned out to be AI generated

Investigated by France 24
Watch this video
www.france24.com/en/both-trump-and-iran-share-false-information-about-8-women-facing-execution-by-the-regime

I have seen these same images out on social media (instagram) being presented as the truth.
It's rather more complicated than it would seem.

Yes the revolutionary guards are taking action against a few, but not on the mass scale of the uprising long before the war started.

Many of the riots were actually cost of living riots, inflation is extremely high becuase although Iran can produce a lot of their own food, years of economic sanctions that hit ordinary people very hard are now worse than ever internally.

Just see wider than what is thrown at us, it may new false information.

for example, did people know that

Iran has a remarkably high percentage of female medical students and doctors, with women making up roughly 50% of general practitioners, over 50% of medical residents, and historically reaching up to 70% of incoming medical and science students

(Is this something you would have imagined?)

While whether it holds the absolute "greatest" global rank is hard to verify uniformly against all nations, its female enrollment in medical fields is among the highest in the Middle East

brieflands.com/journals/ijpbs/articles/64643

People have used antisemitism on the threads about Gaza to try to close the discussion down.
To find the actions of Netanyahu and others in Knesset abhorrent is not antisemitic.

Yes Posters, it is the Regime, and not the ordinary decent people of Israel, who face that accusation of Genocide.
Being against the accused of war crimes, Netanyahu, is exactly that.
It is not antisemitism.

Be careful. Someone will think you're antisemitic! (I know what you mean though)

All those conflicts mentioned are awful. People suffer in so many countries.

The difference is that Israel portrays itself as a civilised country but the actions of their regime are the opposite of civilised.
The devastation they have caused in Gaza, the numbers of men, women and children they have killed are actions that should not be accepted by anyone.

The Rohinga in Myanmar, which is also enduring a civil war.
But I feel we can make some impact for the people of Gaza.

Yes, they are all tragic GG13.
We seem unable to help.
But worth trying to, wherever you can.