Rupert Lowe and Dunblane

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Lowe has been irritable about gun control since his father lost his shooting pistols, taken as part of the ban on handguns.

Last year his own large gun collection was removed by police (and later returned) after Zia Yusuf and Lee Anderson made complaints about him. He has so many guns he trundles them around in a wheelbarrow.

He’s a angry, hate-filled man much of the time and frankly I’m surprised the police let him renew his certificates. If he thinks Dunblane was one murder (and he didn’t say it once but twice when Rogan asked him to confirm), then his faculties are not what they should be.

Yet he pretended on Rogan, that in UK it's very difficult to own guns for hunting and sport.

He’s a angry, hate-filled man much of the time and frankly I’m surprised the police let him renew his certificates.

I'd say exactly the same of the Dunblane killer and his firearms certificate, as did many other people who knew him.

<https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/14023/police-conduct-and-the-case-of-thomas-hamilton>

Sorry, I intended t to quote Luckygirl3, not Cossy.
sorry Cossy.

Cossy

My suggestion is Mr Lowe re-locates tuit de suite to America, where he can purchase as many guns as he desires!

You've completely misunderstood.

The media did not put Farage and Lowe where they are.

Farage and Lowe are bought and paid for by the richest men in the world (Christopher Harbourne, Elon Musk, for starters) to do their bidding and advance their agendas.

Farage's fascist intention is clear; to disrupt the United Kingdom; its Government, its electorate, its laws; our democracy in the UK. If Reform folds, Lowe steps in

<https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/restore-rupert-lowe-makerfield-andy-burnham-b2996600.html>

"Rupert Lowe is rapidly becoming the most dangerous man you’ve never heard of The massively outsized online reach of the Restore leader’s micro-party – boosted by Elon Musk – is cannibalising the right. For those concerned about the resurgence of the politics of Enoch Powell,"....

The right wing media are positively supporting Reform, although not sure about Murdoch?

I lived not very far away. My husband had a colleague whose children were at the school. I rang my husband to tell him what had happened and his colleague raced to the school not knowing what he’d discover. Luckily for him, his children were not in the class involved. I remember that day as if it were yesterday. 😢

But Lucky the people they appeal to and manipulate won’t ignore them and the media certainly won’t either so it’s just wishful thinking.

I think they are fooling themselves and we are being fooled by the media who lap it up and big it up.

Butterjam- excellent post and Luckygirl that’s why we can’t ignore them or brush them off as insensitive oafs RL and NF have an agenda just as Trump does for the USA and its nothing to do with improving society for the majority. But goodness aren’t they past masters at fooling so many

I think it is taking notice of these people and the media giving them the oxygen of publicity that has got us in this situation. Farage is a nobody ... a useless provincial MP with no policies. He is in the public eye because the media have put him there ... they like his soundbites his laddish media friendly persona, the photo opportunities etc.
He is a total media construct who has gained a following courtesy if the media.
It is such a slippery slope ... hovernment by media is the way we are heading.
They dictate who is in the public to eye and whose comments to feature and can take a total nothing like Farage and let his fascist pronouncements influence those of minimal brain so that all of a sudden they have presented him with a following on a plate. And frankly I think he is like a rabbit in the headlights and does not know what to do. He is in danger of being asked to actually have policies .... then what the heck does he do!?
So I make no apologies for saying they should be ignored.....

MaizieD

Who on earth does the man think he is speaking for?

What matters, is WHO he was lying to, about UK gun controls, and WHY.

He was speaking about gun control in UK on a Joe Rogan podcast.

The Joe Rogan Experience (Podcast Charts), is consistently the most-listened-to show in the United States, averaging roughly 11 million views or downloads per episode. His audience is significantly larger than the primetime viewership of major US cable news networks like CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News combined.

That's 11 million Americans misinformed by a British MP that the UK "they banned hand guns because there was a murder up in Dunblane"

Rogan queries it instantly " ONE Murder? "

Lowe confirms loud and clear "ONE murder" .

He then expands an argument that UK gun controls are the reason "we now have a society that needs radical change."

Watch it for yourself

<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9psJ4Uszc5Y>

This terrible event caused a rethink in the British attitude and legislation with regards to handguns .
Anyone who seeks to play down this tragedy is beneath contempt.
The problem is, ronib, we are unable to be sure who is, and who is not, a " potential assassin".

MawsRosie

argymargy

Rupert Lowe declared - and repeated on being questioned - that Dunblane was "one murder" and led to "banning hand guns". Despicable & odious man.

It was not ‘one murder ‘ though was it?
43-year-old Thomas Hamilton killed 16 pupils and one teacher and injured 15 others before killing himself. It remains the deadliest mass shooting in British history.
Not to mention traumatising every child in that school, the staff and parents. Remember it vividly. It was on my birthday and I was at the time a serving teacher.
We realised that there but for the grace of God, and hopefully British gun control, etc etc.

Andy Murray was at Dunblane Primary School in 1996 and he remembers hiding under a desk with his older brother Jamie while Thomas Hamilton was on the rampage. Andy was only eight at the time but he later wrote that he still has difficulty processing what happened so what if must be like for those families who lost love ones can only be imagined.

It is clear that Rupert Lowe wants to drum up some kind of gun lobby and like his American counterparts he places more value on gun ownership than on the safety of children. His dismissive attitude in describing the Dunblane massacre as "one murder" is typical of the rhetoric of gun lobbyists.

Lowe has been irritable about gun control since his father lost his shooting pistols, taken as part of the ban on handguns.

Last year his own large gun collection was removed by police (and later returned) after Zia Yusuf and Lee Anderson made complaints about him. He has so many guns he trundles them around in a wheelbarrow.

He’s a angry, hate-filled man much of the time and frankly I’m surprised the police let him renew his certificates. If he thinks Dunblane was one murder (and he didn’t say it once but twice when Rogan asked him to confirm), then his faculties are not what they should be.

It really is time that we started to take these people seriously, and stop underestimating them.

The politics they represent are straight out of the neofascist play book - something we fought and lost millions of lives to successfully defeat.

Never let those lives be in vain.

The Joe Rogan podcast has 11 million listers per episode. And no RL is not an insensitive oaf- he is a man prepared to use and lie about to make a point about gun control. That’s not insensitive, it’s wicked

My suggestion is Mr Lowe re-locates tuit de suite to America, where he can purchase as many guns as he desires!

He’s well educated enough to know that it was a very serious murderous event where so many young children were shot dead or wounded.
The man is an insensitive oaf.

MaizieD

Who on earth does the man think he is speaking for?

Himself and his band of outdated Hoorah Henrys!

Couldn’t!

I was sure my opinion of Lowe could stoop much lower, I was wrong!

Who on earth does the man think he is speaking for?

Tuliptree 12:43 sadly I agree!

argymargy

Rupert Lowe declared - and repeated on being questioned - that Dunblane was "one murder" and led to "banning hand guns". Despicable & odious man.

It was not ‘one murder ‘ though was it?
43-year-old Thomas Hamilton killed 16 pupils and one teacher and injured 15 others before killing himself. It remains the deadliest mass shooting in British history.
Not to mention traumatising every child in that school, the staff and parents. Remember it vividly. It was on my birthday and I was at the time a serving teacher.
We realised that there but for the grace of God, and hopefully British gun control, etc etc.

ronib

Interesting use of language here. Yes it was one murderous event which led to Lowe’s father having his own handguns removed. So we assume that Mr Lowe Sr was not a potential assassin?

It’s not an interesting use of language at all. One murder is not the same as one murderous event

Luckygirl3

A man to ignore I think .....

He really is not He and his far right ilk need to be taken seriously - they are real danger to democracy.