Sympathy for Harry anyone?

I do not really want to condemn him or the rest of the family.

I like facts.

That’s why I did a bit of research.

It would appear that supporters of the royals believe they are psychic; getting all het up about scenes they've no idea about.

It would appear that supporters of Harry tend to get their facts wrong and also tend to idolise Diana.

Estrellita

BlueBelle

Yes I do feel quite sorry for him I think he’s grown up in an unenviable position, It’s well documented that the ‘Spare’ always has a difficult time and often doesn’t perform as expected (look no further than Margaret)
I think there has been a lot of nastiness in the right wing press picking up on every single thing down to practically the way he breathes This has got more marked with marrying Meghan and having the children. You only have to look at remarks on here
I think Charles and the rather saintly William have joined forces so he feels even less welcome and more pushed out
I don t think I d even bother coming over if it was me

I couldn’t agree more.

Actually I was interested enough in “the well documented “ claim that the “Spare always has a difficult time” to do a bit of research into the ‘Spares” of the past.

Going much further back than Margaret what I found was that past Spares were accepting of their place in the succession and successful in their own right.

Surprisingly several of them did eventually become King.

Personally I think you have to go all the way back to Henry the Eighth to find a similarly envious and discontented “Spare”.

So actually it’s not at all “well documented “. The evidence points otherwise.

Not the position, the personality.

LinkyPinky

I have read ‘The Palace Papers’ by Tina Brown. I strongly believe Harry’s account of the appalling press intrusion into his life. I also believe he was sold down the river by his father in order to render Camilla acceptable to the public, who initially blamed her for Diana’s sad life, but now accept her as queen. . Nor can I expunge the memory of him as a bereaved and traumatised 12 year old boy being made to walk behind his mother’s coffin in front of the world’s ogling millions.He observed his mother being hounded to her death by the paparazzi and did what needed doing to prevent the same thing happening to his wife.

He wasn't forced "to walk behind his mother’s coffin in front of the world’s ogling millions." Both boys were asked whether they wanted to walk behind their mother's coffin. They could have declined. William said he would, so Harry said so too - not wanting to be outdone by his brother. They were not alone, their grandfather walked with them as support. Do you really think that William did not find it as painfiul as Harry? But he felt it as a tribute to his mother, while Harry still feels that it was imposed on him by his father - and somehow blames his brother too.

Harry's wife would not have been "hounded by the paparazzi" if she hadn't started her relationship with his parents by stating that she was "going in with all guns blazing" and feeding the media with stories of how dreadful her inlaws were. Of course the media was keen to get more of this sensational customer-attracting material about inlaw tension in high places!

Harry needs to grow up and take charge of his own career as an adult, instead of repeatedly recycling his sufferings as a victim of his privileged upbringing. The ex-servicemen in his own Invictus Games Foundation could tell worse tales. He would do well to remember the ending of the famous poem "Invictus", by By William Ernest Henley ^

" I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul."^

www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/51642/invictus

BlueBelle

Yes I do feel quite sorry for him I think he’s grown up in an unenviable position, It’s well documented that the ‘Spare’ always has a difficult time and often doesn’t perform as expected (look no further than Margaret)
I think there has been a lot of nastiness in the right wing press picking up on every single thing down to practically the way he breathes This has got more marked with marrying Meghan and having the children. You only have to look at remarks on here
I think Charles and the rather saintly William have joined forces so he feels even less welcome and more pushed out
I don t think I d even bother coming over if it was me

I couldn’t agree more.

Not one iota.

He has made a good few bob over the last few years sueing Newspapers and living off the Windsor brand with Meggy and the kids

He was entitled to a court case ,and had a right to do. This particular gravy train seems to have now come to an end.

Is it possible to revoke his British Citizenship and line of succession? Probably not when your daddy is the King.

Jess20

I feel for them as I would anyone having a hard time. Just being very rich and, in his case being in the public gaze most of your adult life, doesn't necessarily make you happy. They probably do their best, as do most parents and so does his father. Never forget they've been through the trauma of being sent away to public school. I do think it's mean not giving them protection as he's a target for sure, and by extension his young children as well. I'm sad the latest press case as amongst those who lost is Doreen Lawrence, who probably can't easily afford it.

I totally agree. There is too much bile thrown about by the British press
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I agree with your friend OP. I seem to be one of the few people who actually LIKE Harry and Meghan.

I'm not sure they suffered thw trauma of going away to public school. They went to Eaton and by their own accounts enjoyed themselves immensely

No.

I feel for them as I would anyone having a hard time. Just being very rich and, in his case being in the public gaze most of your adult life, doesn't necessarily make you happy. They probably do their best, as do most parents and so does his father. Never forget they've been through the trauma of being sent away to public school. I do think it's mean not giving them protection as he's a target for sure, and by extension his young children as well. I'm sad the latest press case as amongst those who lost is Doreen Lawrence, who probably can't easily afford it.

Typo - if I’d been raised

Don’t forget about the book and interview he did throwing his family under the bus. That could have been done privately but no he wanted an audience. Reap what you sow.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course.

No one has lived his life. If I’d raised in the royal family under the intense media focus and lost my mother at 12 , then I’d feel free to comment.

I like them, you can’t blame Harry for wanting to step away from royal life, after the poor treatment of his mother, there is nothing wrong with wanting to protect his family, the press is vicious.

No!!! but I feel Sorry for
Her father, no royal titles, no money, nothing to offer them, so both ignore him, but stay desperate to reconcile with the royal king.. Harry is spiteful and bitter, both an embarrassment.

Isla71 I am in total agreement with you.

Yes..leave him alone.Surely you have better things to do..like getting a life.

Harry znd Megan wanted away from it all and all they seem to do is complain saying they are ignored. Surely they've been given the hand they wanted.

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William will do an AMW and strip him of all his titles etc when he ascends the throne.

He is so so angry with him (and rightly so imo) and can't forgive all he's said and his timings, at a time when QE2 and the DofE were both so old, frail and sick.

But I really think the King should 'man-up' and be the one to take this action now, so that William isn't lumbered with having to do it in the future.
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I truly struggle to see why anyone would feel sorry for the disgustingly rich and privileged royals over anything!

TH3465 - thanks for your comment. I do also think that there have been many interesting points discussed on the thread and perhaps the ‘haters ‘ are the minority. (?!).