Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

If being adverse to the risk of taking a scene asylum seeker into your home is the sole reason for objecting to this scheme so be it. There are plenty that will.

LemonJam do you honestly think CatsWhiskas' assumption that FGT has never travelled on a road or been in a plane is a genuine held belief or was that assumption made to belittle FGT?

Of course the refugees will be screened but no screening is ever 100% and I can understand why a lone female, especially one recently widowed would be cautious or risk averse.

No, Rosie51, it isn't what I was expecting FriedGreenTomatoes* to do, so stop trying to be a mind-reader. It is entirely up to her what she does, which is exactly what I wrote. I wasn't nasty. She was the one who stated that "one bad apple" is enough to distrust a whole group of people. In my book, that makes somebody very risk averse and involves stereotyping. So be it, but don't call me nasty for pointing it out.

You read Catswhiskas comments in an entirely different way that I did Rosie51. Catswhiskas has further explained herself and clarified she wasn't being nasty at all.

Nobody is asking or expecting anyone to take a screened refugee into their home they don't want to. To understand the real risk you would have to look at all those that have taken in refugees over the years and how many came to harm. From my experience and anecdotal knowledge it is a minimal risk. There is a greater risk taking in a lodger quite frankly than a refugee seeking sanctuary in a safe country grateful to the kind nature of those that are willing to use them.

One bad apple argument- crikey- you could apply that to every situation in life. I am sure many of us might have had a one bad apple boyfriend, friend, neighbour or boss in years gone by.

It didn't stop us moving house, applying for a Job accepting a date.

Absolutely LemonJam.

If we start going down the ‘one bad apple’ rabbit hole we really are in a bad place.

E.g: a man is a rapist so, using the ‘one bad apple’ trope … all men are potential rapists and to be avoided🤷‍♀️

I applaud the scheme, anything that gives genuine refugees a safe legal route is better than the system that we currently have which puts money into the hands of people traffickers and people at risk of drowning in the channel. It also gives refugees proper support to help them understand British customs and language whilst allowing them to give something back to the people who support them. I've worked with refugees and have found them extremely grateful to have received asylum and wanting to contribute to the society that has offered them hope of a better life. I thank my lucky stars that I have not been in their place, not by anything that I have done but purely by being born in Britain.

I think Mahmood's plan for refugees having to apply is the best one yet. Those who don't meet the criteria will not be coming.
Hopefully the end of dangerous routes and those who exploit desperate people for their own benefit.

Well we use the risk that men present ( in terms of sexual assault for example) in many scenarios, it is one of the reasons why women have single sex spaces.

I wouldn’t apply for this scheme, I won’t use the phrase ‘taking somebody in’ as there’s quite a bit of money changing hands.
It could be a dangerous thing to do for an older couple or a single woman of any age or an older man living on his own.
That’s just good sense.
I wouldn’t share my bit of serenity for any amount of money or cause.
And when it comes to it, not many will do with this initiative either unless they themselves are from those countries mentioned.

LizzieDrip

Absolutely LemonJam.

If we start going down the ‘one bad apple’ rabbit hole we really are in a bad place.

E.g: a man is a rapist so, using the ‘one bad apple’ trope … all men are potential rapists and to be avoided🤷‍♀️

I was accused of being "nasty" for claiming the same thing.

Thank you, LemonJam, for defending me.

Rosie51

CatsWhiskas

I assume you've never travelled on a road or been in a plane, if you're so risk-averse.

What a thoroughly nasty comment. You know full well FGT has done both, are you trying to belittle her aversion to the risk of taking a stranger into her home? Do we assume you will be offering a home to a refugee since you're obviously not risk averse at all?

Sarcasm on your part Catswhiskas but no sarcasm used by LemonJam which is the difference.
Will you be allowing a migrant to live in your home?

If insufficient organisations and willing individuals come forward for the numbers proposed the scheme won’t get off the ground. I suspect it will get off the ground and there will be sufficient organisations and individuals who come forward.

People came forward to support Ukrainian refugees so are equally as likely to come forward to support those from other countries. The scheme has done well in Canada so can in the UK.

Oh I really don’t know about that LemonJam as the situation with Ukraine ( on our European doorstep) is a different case.

I know quite a few people who have self-contained annexes, which they use for letting to students, visiting academics, medics on short term contracts and and as Airbnbs. Many of them are currently letting to Ukrainians.

Oreo

Oh I really don’t know about that LemonJam as the situation with Ukraine ( on our European doorstep) is a different case.

I don't really understand in what way it's different.

Russia flexing its expansionist muscles a bit too close for comfort.

Partly because Ukrainians are "white" to be blunt.

People viewed it entirely differently.

Not just about Russia.

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What a lot of people don't realise is that, for example, many Eritreans are Christian. Again, people assume otherwise unless they know.
One refugee I know got out due to church connections and sponsorship 3/4 years ago.

Accusations of 'nasty'.
Accusations of 'sarcasm'.
Could this be attempts to 'control' a Thread by 'suggesting' how Posters respond?

Thought that was to be discouraged?

Ukrainians are white. There are people that do not judge or rank asylum seekers/ refugees from war torn areas by the colour of their skin. Sudan and adjacent Eritrea many are aware is the most war torn area. I still suspect organisations and individuals will come forward for none white Sudan and Eritrean refugees in this scheme.

Some posts assuming these are going to be young men. As it's set up similarly to the Ukrainian scheme and specifically for taking vulnerable non-combatants out of a conflict zone, the demographics are likely to be similar to Ukraine too.
Ukrainian refugees 70% female adult with significant numbers of children.

Oreo

Russia flexing its expansionist muscles a bit too close for comfort.

Sorry, I don't understand. How does giving shelter to Ukrainians affect what Russia is doing?

Maremia

Accusations of 'nasty'.
Accusations of 'sarcasm'.
Could this be attempts to 'control' a Thread by 'suggesting' how Posters respond?

Thought that was to be discouraged?

I was wondering because I do feel a bit bullied, but I'm happy for other posters to see what their peers are like.

LemonJam

Ukrainians are white. There are people that do not judge or rank asylum seekers/ refugees from war torn areas by the colour of their skin. Sudan and adjacent Eritrea many are aware is the most war torn area. I still suspect organisations and individuals will come forward for none white Sudan and Eritrean refugees in this scheme.

Goodness me! I'd never thought of that! Eritreans might be black, but at least the majority of them are Christian.