He has done it! The toolmakers son has resigned!

Racingsparrow

Starters father owned a factory that produced tools. He grew up in a wealthy household and went to a private school that was turned into a state grammar school. The very fact that he constantly lied about this and many other things shows his character. The country has suffered under labour and now has debts in excess of 3 times of GDP.
That idiot Burnham now wants more debts.

Completely and utterly wrong.

Father ran a small toolmaking business, he might have even simply been self employed, his mother was a nurse.

The Grammar School Starmer attended was a state school and he had to pass the 11 plus to attend.

When he reached the lower 6th form it became an independent school, my understanding is fees were not payable for those already in 6th form.

He was born in Southwark and brought up in a very modest 3 bedroomed semi in a working class village in Surrey.

Do get your facts right.

Menopausalbitch, you can direct me to where you can demonstrate that you are privy to evidence about "what most of the country are thinking"?

Chocolatelovinggran

Menopausalbitch, you can direct me to where you can demonstrate that you are privy to evidence about "what most of the country are thinking"?

I’d like to see evidence of this too please.

Is this a bit like Farage saying what everyone else is thinking?

I’ll state this again, very clearly, please do not speak for me! Your statement does not reflect my thoughts, your statement can only reflect your thoughts!

I liked Kier, thought he had a very calming disposition after all the changes with Tories. He spoke up for the UK and didn't take us into a totally unnecessary war in middle East. I think the press had a lot with his demise, constantly pulling him down. Thank Sir Kier Starmer for all your efforts.

I have never been keen on Keir Starmer but he tried his best. I think his biggest problem was indecisiveness because he wanted to please all the people all the time which, as we all know, is impossible and the reason for his many u-turns. I don't know enough about Andy Burnham but am not keen on what I have seen so far. We are now on course for our seventh prime minister in ten years. Far too many people in both major parties seem to have been concentrating on their own ambitions rather than thinking about what is best for the country.

Hear hear!!

I'm no fan of Keir Starmer by any means, I think he's been the author of his own demise in many ways.
However is Andy Burnham the answer or a knee jerk reaction. The King of The North? That comments irritates the ! out of me, who says so? Not me for one.
I suppose we just have to wait and see but not holding my breath for a minute

Couldn't agree more

Sincerely, what a massive job! Starmer, will take a break and go back to his Human Rights Lawyer!
We are becoming or always have been a nation of haves and have nots

I have such a lot of respect for Wes too.

Racingsparrow

Starters father owned a factory that produced tools. He grew up in a wealthy household and went to a private school that was turned into a state grammar school. The very fact that he constantly lied about this and many other things shows his character. The country has suffered under labour and now has debts in excess of 3 times of GDP.
That idiot Burnham now wants more debts.

The claim about his school is completely inverted. Starmer did not go to a private school that became a state school; he went to a state grammar school that became a private school.

Rodney Starmer, did not own a large, wealthy manufacturing factory. He was a toolmaker—a skilled manual laborer who makes precision components. Later in life, he operated as a self-employed sole trader under the name Oxted Tool Company.

Many sole traders take a "business" name.

I think you have your facts all muddled up, Racingsparrow

It seems the best that can be said for Starmer is that he ‘kept us out of a war’. That can be said about the rest of Europe’s and the world’s leaders too and it was never going to be an option for us either.
Nobody cared about the finer feelings of other failed PM’s so why all the wailing and gnashing of teeth for him? Because he ‘seems like a nice guy’? He didn’t go to Eton? He’s let the country, that’s us btw down by being a useless PM, I wasn’t keen on him to start with, had many doubts about him which have come to pass.

"Starmer did not go to a private school that became a state school; he went to a state grammar school that became a private school."

Was just going to write that, when I saw that NotSpaghetti already had. If people are going to smear others, I wish they'd be sure of their facts. Maybe Racingsparrow is going to apologise.

Ally27

I'm no fan of Keir Starmer by any means, I think he's been the author of his own demise in many ways.
However is Andy Burnham the answer or a knee jerk reaction. The King of The North? That comments irritates the ! out of me, who says so? Not me for one.
I suppose we just have to wait and see but not holding my breath for a minute

Somebody has to take over and Burnham has done a good job for Greater Manchester and is respected within the LP.

"Being useless" is your opinion. It's not a statement of fact.

Chocolatelovinggran

Menopausalbitch, you can direct me to where you can demonstrate that you are privy to evidence about "what most of the country are thinking"?

You're in for a long wait.

I don't know much about Burnham and from the Interviews I have seen, e.g. Victoria Derbyshire , he didn't impress me as he was very awkward with his answers.I think we are in for a rough ride. Heaven help us if his team aren't up to the job.
I am not impressed character wise either as I think anyone who stabs another of the same party in the back does not deserve respect. Music girl I do agree with what you say about far too many MPs put self first. A shame, they should have taken a lesson from Keir Starmer .

Oreo

It seems the best that can be said for Starmer is that he ‘kept us out of a war’. That can be said about the rest of Europe’s and the world’s leaders too and it was never going to be an option for us either.
Nobody cared about the finer feelings of other failed PM’s so why all the wailing and gnashing of teeth for him? Because he ‘seems like a nice guy’? He didn’t go to Eton? He’s let the country, that’s us btw down by being a useless PM, I wasn’t keen on him to start with, had many doubts about him which have come to pass.

That’s not true Oreo, there was a lot of sympathy for Rishi Sunak across the political spectrum on here, and going back, also for Teresa May. I think a lot of us respect people who do their best for the country, whether we agree with their political views or not.

Glad he has gone. Was never suited to the job. Far too much in favour of the ECHR and his tunnel vision Human Rights mindset.

Labour are now in heir second year of government and we still await a real plan about the economy, jobs and the future of the country. Plus we will all be affected big time when AI starts to kick inm

But then again in the Labour

Sorry post continued

Andy Burnham aka The Messiah.Is no great shakes either. Didn't do a great deal as the Mayor of Greater Manchester. Believe me. Besides promote himself.

All a bit worrying really.

I haven’t read the thread,it has way to nasty a title,says a lot about Sago,just horrible.

I don’t think SKS is a particularly good man. Hé did some dreadful things and for me, failed utterly re Israel. AB had better speak up as I think the whole county is angry about that issue above all.

Burnham has done a good job for Greater Manchester

OMG!
He isn’t even the PM; he’s the MP for Makerfield and I’m already sick to death of hearing “he’s great a great job for Greater Manchester”!!!

Typo “… done a great job …”

LizzieDrip

^Burnham has done a good job for Greater Manchester^

OMG!
He isn’t even the PM; he’s the MP for Makerfield and I’m already sick to death of hearing “he’s great a great job for Greater Manchester”!!!

That’s because he has, and is well thought of there and has more passion for the Labour Party than KS.

CatsWhiskas

"Being useless" is your opinion. It's not a statement of fact.

If he had been really useful as PM he wouldn’t have to had to resign.