Starmer may resign

CatsWhiskas

MayBee70

I think it's totally unacceptable for Burnham to become PM without some sort of election. If another party did it Labour would be complaining about it. I mean, no one even knows what his policies are because he wasn't even an MP. And surely he's got to continue with the manifesto that the electorate voted for?

Maybe my memory is at fault, but I don't think there was a general election when Brown, Truss or Sunak became PM. There are precedents.

And there was a lot of criticism about Brown at the time. By the time of Truss the Conservatives were in such a mess thanks to Johnson that I think dysfunctional politics had become normalised.

I’m not quoting Ferrari as some sort of ‘truth’. I can’t stand the man, and usually switch off when his programme comes on. However, I try to be open-minded and listen to the views of people whose views I don’t agree with. It’s one of the reasons I like to follow GN N&P threads because of the usually well-informed posts from posters of different political persuasions.

I just thought that his opening up a discussion about how quickly our political system allows for quick expulsion of prime ministers interesting.

TheatreLover

I’m not quoting Ferrari as some sort of ‘truth’. I can’t stand the man, and usually switch off when his programme comes on. However, I try to be open-minded and listen to the views of people whose views I don’t agree with. It’s one of the reasons I like to follow GN N&P threads because of the usually well-informed posts from posters of different political persuasions.

I just thought that his opening up a discussion about how quickly our political system allows for quick expulsion of prime ministers interesting.

Sorry, my last post was to CatsWhiskas.

eazybee

Some interesting thoughts.
A 'kind man' doesn't prosecute Veterans.
He defeated Corbyn then drove him out of his Party.
He sacked Louise Haigh out of hand; she has masterminded Burnham's campaign.
'KS found out the hard way that being PM isn't easy'. Well no; he was very instrumental in getting rid of Boris, Truss and Sunak, particularly Boris, and now it has come back to bite him.
He wouldn't listen to advice about Mandelson and created a disaster.
Yet now, when he should stand firm and at least fight, as he said he would only a few days ago, it seems that he is going to go and inflict a loudmouth self-promoter as PM on the electorate on the basis of one win in a by-election, with no apparent mandate, a sheaf of promises, and no recent experience of the febrile politics in Westminster. I wonder who really is behind all this.

Staying and fighting simply isn’t an option, it’s not the best thing for govt or our country.

You clearly have zero respect for Starmer and that’s your prerogative, however not all of us feel the same.

Btw, veterans are not above the law, just like the rest of us.

TheatreLover

TheatreLover

I’m not quoting Ferrari as some sort of ‘truth’. I can’t stand the man, and usually switch off when his programme comes on. However, I try to be open-minded and listen to the views of people whose views I don’t agree with. It’s one of the reasons I like to follow GN N&P threads because of the usually well-informed posts from posters of different political persuasions.

I just thought that his opening up a discussion about how quickly our political system allows for quick expulsion of prime ministers interesting.

Sorry, my last post was to CatsWhiskas.

I think it's me you should be cross with, not CatsWhiskas.

Sorry, I'd just read a load of posts blaming the media for Starmer's demise then read 'Ferrari says' (or words to that effect)

Thanks for clarification and apologies again...

TheatreLover

TheatreLover

I’m not quoting Ferrari as some sort of ‘truth’. I can’t stand the man, and usually switch off when his programme comes on. However, I try to be open-minded and listen to the views of people whose views I don’t agree with. It’s one of the reasons I like to follow GN N&P threads because of the usually well-informed posts from posters of different political persuasions.

I just thought that his opening up a discussion about how quickly our political system allows for quick expulsion of prime ministers interesting.

Sorry, my last post was to CatsWhiskas.

I'm really messing this up, and apologise to CatsWhiskas as it was MaisieD who accused me of quoting Ferrari* as some sort of truth when that is the last thing I would do.

MaizieD

TheatreLover

TheatreLover

I’m not quoting Ferrari as some sort of ‘truth’. I can’t stand the man, and usually switch off when his programme comes on. However, I try to be open-minded and listen to the views of people whose views I don’t agree with. It’s one of the reasons I like to follow GN N&P threads because of the usually well-informed posts from posters of different political persuasions.

I just thought that his opening up a discussion about how quickly our political system allows for quick expulsion of prime ministers interesting.

Sorry, my last post was to CatsWhiskas.

I think it's me you should be cross with, not CatsWhiskas.

Sorry, I'd just read a load of posts blaming the media for Starmer's demise then read 'Ferrari says' (or words to that effect)

Thanks for clarification and apologies again...

Thanks MaisyD. I'm a member of the Labour Party, but I'm appalled at how quickly some Labour Party MP's have ousted the PM. I was equally shocked at how ruthlessly Boris Johnson was forced into resigning the premiership. I can't stand the thought of Burnham being MP after his treacherous behaviour.

I feel for him and for anyone who steps up. He was faced with two wars (one inherited, one a shock and he kept us out) which included infiltration from very bad actors, handling Trump and an up and down trade war, dealing with the pull from Reform and anti migrant views, the rise of the Right in Europe, the reluctance of the electorate to make hard choices over climate change (or engage with many of the big issues), the PLP wanting to each have their voice prioritised, the polarising “right to die” campaign, the anti welfare voices and tax choices, the electorate’s split views over Israel and Gaza, the clamour for funds especially for the NHS and defence. Violence against him and his family initiated by Russia.
I’m sure it could have been handled better, but kudos to him and to his family, entering this madness. I feel vertigo just listing this. And apparently he was able to sleep at night. I remember what a glory it was to pull away from Corbyn. How at the Conference in Brighton Corbyn continued to whisper to McDonnell while Starmer gave a speech and didn’t acknowledge or introduce him. Ah well, politics

Looks like we'll get Ms Rayner back. Scum always rises to the top, as they say.

TheatreLover

MaizieD

TheatreLover

TheatreLover

I’m not quoting Ferrari as some sort of ‘truth’. I can’t stand the man, and usually switch off when his programme comes on. However, I try to be open-minded and listen to the views of people whose views I don’t agree with. It’s one of the reasons I like to follow GN N&P threads because of the usually well-informed posts from posters of different political persuasions.

I just thought that his opening up a discussion about how quickly our political system allows for quick expulsion of prime ministers interesting.

Sorry, my last post was to CatsWhiskas.

I think it's me you should be cross with, not CatsWhiskas.

Sorry, I'd just read a load of posts blaming the media for Starmer's demise then read 'Ferrari says' (or words to that effect)

Thanks for clarification and apologies again...

Thanks MaisyD. I'm a member of the Labour Party, but I'm appalled at how quickly some Labour Party MP's have ousted the PM. I was equally shocked at how ruthlessly Boris Johnson was forced into resigning the premiership. I can't stand the thought of Burnham being MP after his treacherous behaviour.

I think his leaders ship is going to be based on very rocky foundations given the way he has walked away from his commitment to Manchester, got a standing MP to stand down to give him his parliamentary seat ( I wonder what he’s been promised for doing that?) and how it looks as though he might just become leader with no vote or consultation with party members as if it was his by right.

RSALLAN2002

Looks like we'll get Ms Rayner back. Scum always rises to the top, as they say.

Below the belt remark. Is ok to dislike a person in politics but just saying something offensive is lazy and immature.

Boris never stood a chance he had the triple whammy of Ukraine , brexit and Covid !

I'm not surprised Josh Simons (the former Makerfield MP) stood down. As the director of "Labour Together", he was an important influence in getting Starmer elected. He was parachuted into a safe Labour seat.

Simons got himself involved in accusing some journalists of being part of a Russian campaign to harm Starmer. He resigned his government post earlier this year.

I have no idea how much he was involved in accusing the journalists,but it wasn't the only time he'd raised eyebrows as director of "Labour Together". He's not a natural MP. He's an academic/policy person and probably wouldn't have stayed as an MP for long. I'm not sure what it is about him, but he's quite a controversial figure.

Fallingstar

RSALLAN2002

Looks like we'll get Ms Rayner back. Scum always rises to the top, as they say.

Below the belt remark. Is ok to dislike a person in politics but just saying something offensive is lazy and immature.

It says something about the person saying it.

He is a good and honest man but in my opinion he made two mistakes:
The winter fuel allowance
Peter Mandelson.

The population of The UK is 69.5 million. The number of Labour MPs is 403. We have had, I believe 7 MPs in the past how long? is it right that 403 British people are going to choose a new PM when us 69.5 million aren’t really going to get a look in. Democratic??? Isn’t this job too important to leave to 403 people?

JennyCee

The population of The UK is 69.5 million. The number of Labour MPs is 403. We have had, I believe 7 MPs in the past how long? is it right that 403 British people are going to choose a new PM when us 69.5 million aren’t really going to get a look in. Democratic??? Isn’t this job too important to leave to 403 people?

The U.K. electorate cannot and do not elect the PM.

We can only vote for our constituency MP.

Each party has its own formula for electing its leaders.

Time to mug up on the process. If there are any other leadership challengers there will be a selection process, which includes the Labour Party membership JennyCee, as per their constitution. If there is only one candidate, unchallenged, that would be pointless.

ruthiek

Boris never stood a chance he had the triple whammy of Ukraine , brexit and Covid !

Not to mention being corrupt, lazy and incompetent...

I could be wrong when saying, I fear Andy Burnham could leave this country in a worse state. He has not given any idea of having a plan if he is voted. To me it seems the only reason is that the Labour MPs feel they have more of a chance Labour will win the next General Election if he becomes Prime Minister

ruthiek

Boris never stood a chance he had the triple whammy of Ukraine , brexit and Covid !

He instigated Brexit with his lies though…

CatsWhiskas

Fallingstar

RSALLAN2002

Looks like we'll get Ms Rayner back. Scum always rises to the top, as they say.

Below the belt remark. Is ok to dislike a person in politics but just saying something offensive is lazy and immature.

It says something about the person saying it.

Can this be reported?

Cath9

I could be wrong when saying, I fear Andy Burnham could leave this country in a worse state. He has not given any idea of having a plan if he is voted. To me it seems the only reason is that the Labour MPs feel they have more of a chance Labour will win the next General Election if he becomes Prime Minister

He shouldn’t have a separate plan, the role of the PM is to ensure delivery of the manifesto on which the government was elected? I genuinely don’t understand why people would think that was not the case.

Actually, I believe Mountbatten made the remark about scum rising to the top when in the water after his ship HMS Kelly was torpedoed in WW11.

I despise him. Can't think of anything nice to say. He's done so many awful things.