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Tuliptree

LemonJam

If it alienates you- no need to watch.

Irrelevant - I thought we were discussing its purpose, not whether I liked it. Come on.

That was directed to Galaxy who posted that she thinks its alienates the public to some extent.....

Sorry Lemonjam - thread moving too quickly. I really really believe that PMQs as currently instituted is actually harmful to democracy and really damages our politics in this country.

Tuliptree

Casdon

It’s what PMQ is for though Tuliptree, it’s the main public insight into the workings of parliament. I don’t agree that it’s a waste of time, I think it’s important to our democracy to see how the government and the opposition of the day are operating.

It’s the absolute antithesis of providing an insight into the workings of parliament. It tells us nothing about how parliament works. It isn’t how the government and opposition are operating. It’s cheap garish theatre which demeans the really hard work done elsewhee in Select Committees or when a bill is being debated by the whole House. If PMQs is how people understand how Parliament works then no wonder we have such a politically illiterate electorate

I don’t agree Tuliptree, it’s not perfect of course, but it’s important, I think it’s a real insight into the dynamics and personalities involved. I agree with Galaxy that some exchanges are alienating, and I’d like to see more professional behaviour, but I think you’re being patronising to the public to assume that most people don’t recognise it for what it is.

But what is it that we are supposed to recognise for what it is? I really don’t get it. In whole horse debates we see the dynamics, the personalities and much much more. Depending on the bill, we see a whole range of Ministers being questioned, held to account, demonstrating whether they’re across their brief. We see the calibre of many backbenchers - as opposed to just hearing their braying in PMQs.

Horse haha house

It’s the difference between a 40 part epic and a one hour highlights show. Most people will choose the highlights show rather than spend hours of their lives watching deadly dull committees grinding through minutiae. Whole house debates are better, but last much longer than PMQ, and unless you watch the whole debate you don’t get the flavour. They all have their place.

Actually tuliptrees response to the alienation comment was probably close to what my reply would have been.

LemonJam

We can see the style and rhetoric of the various party leaders as Casdon highlighted. I wouldn't have the insight into Badenoch's character so well without watching her performance at PMQs and listening to her language.

Bearing in mind how many seats her party lost at the last GE- how many MPs have defected to Reform- that her party secured under 2% of votes at Gorton and Denton and just over 2% votes at recent Markerfield by elections she is already in a dire place.

I hope she hasn't let the Aberdeen by election result go to her head- that is an outlier constituency and all about the oil. She can not win a GE losing all other by elections and losing MPs as she has- and not with that style. She will always be outgunned on aggression and divisiveness by Reform UK and Restore.

It’s a shame as recently I thought she came across as fairly balanced and positive, now I’m wondering which one is the real KB?

She can mock and laugh all she likes at the current govt, however her own party have absolutely nothing to brag about.

The entire situation around both removal of tax breaks for private schools and applying Inheritance Tax to farms is extremely emotive. I can see exactly why this would fire up MPs from all parties.

My own personal view is Private Schools are not charities, if it was possible I would probably have tried to to find a way not to penalise private Special/SEND schools.

As for farmers, so much has actually been put in place to mitigate the IT and to prevent the very rich simply purchasing working farms to avoid it.

They are both pretty tough topics, but all MPs should be able to challenge without all the jeering and so called “banter” most of them employ.

If these tactics were used with commercial businesses complaints would be made and heads possibly roll.

It’s often rude, childish and completely unnecessary and it does give the general public licence to believe they can behave in the same way.

There’s a huge difference between using humour to lighten situations and debates and being personal and vitriolic.

Tuliptree

Horse haha house

Well you did mention braying 🐎🐎🐎

Watching an actual debate is more enlightening.
...PMQs is entertainment really I fear.

NotSpaghetti

Watching an actual debate is more enlightening.
...PMQs is entertainment really I fear.

And that is exactly the problem

PMQ is theatre but does give an insight into parliament, there is other televised coverage of many other activities for those interested.

Much of the business is boring routine and much of the real work is done outside the commons, with MPs only gathering to vote.

Cossy

Tuliptree

Horse haha house

Well you did mention braying 🐎🐎🐎

Horses don’t bray, they neigh, which is an altogether pleasanter sound.

I absolutely agree with Tuliptree’s view of PMQs. It has no value at all.

From one point of view, the electorate can tune in to PMQs and remind themselves who is currently in government. It doesn’t last very long and is usually light weight. Do the MPs attending actually listen to the questions or are they otherwise engaged on their mobile phones?