A better word than 'apologise'?

I agree. It would be interesting to know how the victims feel about these long delayed apologies.

It’s all meaningless.

You think those that have campaigned for so long for this apology should just have been ignored the Sago?

grumppa

I agree. It would be interesting to know how the victims feel about these long delayed apologies.

The MP who has led this campaign and had her baby taken away thinks absolutely that an apology is called for.

The people who should be apologising should be the fathers of these children, who refused to take responsibility.

And it’s a state apology not an apology based on the personal responsibility of the person issuing it. Scotland and Wales and the Cof E have already apologised and my only criticism is that it’s taken so long .

eazybee

The people who should be apologising should be the fathers of these children, who refused to take responsibility.

You mean instead of or as well as? And as if that would happen anyway.

Instead of.

One of the women who had her baby taken from her said an 'apology' was well overdue.
It has to be acknowledged that a great wrong was done to these young women.

eazybee

Instead of.

Well that lets the state off the hook doesn’t it?

Maybe, when the perpetrators are dead, there needs to be a word for admission that something done in the past was wrong and preferably a demonstration that things have changed to stop it happening again.

Until then, if an apology from someone not personally involved helps those who suffered, then they should get it.

eazybee

Instead of.

And the parents/ school/ church could also apologise.
Often the mum just needed support rather than becoming an outcast and having her baby removed.

I think what is required is a meaningful acknowledgement of the terrible hurt caused.

By everyone.

NotSpaghetti

I think what is required is a meaningful acknowledgement of the terrible hurt caused.

By everyone.

I agree with this 👍

OldFrill

You think those that have campaigned for so long for this apology should just have been ignored the Sago?

Did I say that?

Why are you so acerbic?

I am agreeing with the OP.

I don’t think there are words to express the pain these young women and girls went through and to think the Magadelene Laundries were still operating up until 1996.
The Catholic Church behaved appallingly, in the name of God.

My husband was adopted because his birth mother had no choice, she felt the pain every day until they were reunited.

These women should never be ignored, the words of Phillipson could never be enough.

Agree!

I was one of 'the victims' in the 50's my 'adopted' mum my mum told me my biological mother very much wanted to keep me but was not allowed to because if she didherfamily would not take her back. To me my adoptive parents were my mum and dad and I was very fortunate and I loved them very very much and miss them terribly. I agree 'victim' and 'apologise" are not correct words as I see myself as fortunate but I was lucky with my family and got lots of love and many educational opportunities for which I am very thankful.

Now let's just look at this rationally. An unmarried girl gets pregnant. The father either is too young or refuses to support the girl and his child. The girl's parents are not prepared to take on the baby. The girl isn't working so cannot support herself. So what are the options? Having the baby adopted was surely the only choice.
I don't know if there was a charity willing to support these girls but I don't agree with those who think it was the responsibility of the state.
I know of several girls who found themselves in this predicament and they were lucky enough to be supported by their families. If there was abuse on the part of the church that is a separate matter altogether.

I suppose the current government could acknowledge the pain and express profound regret.
An apology for something that was done years ago by others is meaningless.

NotSpaghetti

I think what is required is a meaningful acknowledgement of the terrible hurt caused.

By everyone.

Yes, a statement of regret, regret it happened, regret for not helping these women and their children, regret of the hurt, harm and damage caused.

An acknowledgement that reconsiders what happened was wrong and dedicating a future to ensuring nothing like it ever recurs.

A dedication to all mothers and babies involved.

NotSpaghetti

I think what is required is a meaningful acknowledgement of the terrible hurt caused.

By everyone.

I agree with your comments.
To me these blanket apologies are pretty meaningless like the apologies for the slave trade by people who had no involvement with the matter.
An acknowledgement for the wrong doing is exactly right imo.

mum2three

Now let's just look at this rationally. An unmarried girl gets pregnant. The father either is too young or refuses to support the girl and his child. The girl's parents are not prepared to take on the baby. The girl isn't working so cannot support herself. So what are the options? Having the baby adopted was surely the only choice.
I don't know if there was a charity willing to support these girls but I don't agree with those who think it was the responsibility of the state.
I know of several girls who found themselves in this predicament and they were lucky enough to be supported by their families. If there was abuse on the part of the church that is a separate matter altogether.

I think your utter lack of empathy is just appalling.

These mothers were forced to give up their babies, they had no choice, babies were literally forcibly removed.

As a mother, I don’t think it’s right, the state were happy to step in and support those removing the babies, all they needed to do was to put something in place to support them and keep Mum and baby together.

Of course it’s not the “states” responsibility but it’s the right and moral thing to do.

Express apologies on behalf of the Government at the time??

I think to some, to get an apology from "the Establishment" is important, so it's thoughtful to do it for them even though it's a bit empty & nothing to do with Ms Phillipson.

I find political apologies so insincere and sometimes almost worse for victims! Why do they feel the need to apologise when only to repeat various misdemeanours. Same thing as when they repeatedly say ‘lessons will be learnt’ they won’t be and aren’t!
Who remembers the Maria Caldwell case of a little girl being brutally treated and dying!
Yes we heard ‘lessons will be learnt’ they aren’t!!
Look what just happened to that poor little baby, his difference by the two adopting parents? What a disgrace our society is for not seeing this or even preventing it.
Then there is the abuse of children in care homes!
The state is the parent! How can it be such a disgusting parent!
I am appalled at how cruel the human race is to its own -
Apologies 😡😢 nah all hot air -
Sorry for my rant, but it upsets me so much, awful😢