Preston Davey, another baby P.

We are FGT

We are simpatico on this issue Terribull
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FriedGreenTomatoes2

Surely I can’t be alone in wanting justice done here, ie a life sentence to mean just that - as say Ian Bradley and Myra Hindley - without this awful ‘he’ll get what’s coming to him in prison’ mentality?

To be incarcerated for the rest of one’s life IS punishment.

Well deserved but just think about the enormity of that for a few seconds. No chance of parole.

To deprive someone of their lifestyle is indeed a very harsh punishment.

I feel thinking that other prisoners might yet dole out their own form of justice is quite sickening. I take no pleasure in these thoughts.

We either have the death penalty or we do not.

I agree FGT, an appalling crime and an incarceration for life is well deserved.

As much as I hate what these monsters have done to that beautiful baby. As well as the appalling abuse, in hindsight they seemed most unsuitable to parent, not because they were gay, but because they didn't appear to understand the rigours of what parenting a baby can entail. They seemed to have an overriding desire to Instagram an ideal rather than a reality that they were completely unprepared for At times parenting babies, toddlers can be drudgery and full of sleepless nights. I wonder whether they were inculcated in the day to day routines which aren't stuff anyone would put on Instagram.

I really don't like the "they'll get what's coming" deserved no doubt! but it's not for those no better than they should be to mete out their considered brand of justice. Probably sounds wet but I don't approve of that kind of lynch mob mentality, even to completely wicked people.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Surely I can’t be alone in wanting justice done here, ie a life sentence to mean just that - as say Ian Bradley and Myra Hindley - without this awful ‘he’ll get what’s coming to him in prison’ mentality?

To be incarcerated for the rest of one’s life IS punishment.

Well deserved but just think about the enormity of that for a few seconds. No chance of parole.

To deprive someone of their lifestyle is indeed a very harsh punishment.

I feel thinking that other prisoners might yet dole out their own form of justice is quite sickening. I take no pleasure in these thoughts.

We either have the death penalty or we do not.

I imagine he’ll probably be kept in solitary confinement for his own protection. The other monster too.

MOnica, I’ve also observed the absence of information about the extended families. I’d read Vardy’s mother was actively involved, including bathing Preston. He was shouting “I want my mum” at the hospital the day the baby died.
I share your view on total estrangement in this situation

I notice that we have uite rightly been given no details of the background of these people, families, education etc. It must be bad enough knowing that a close relative has done something as dreadful as this, with out being hounded by social media and even physical attack.

However it has had me thinking about how far a mothers/fathers love goes. We hear it said, and see examples of parents who standby their adult children no matter what they do, and I considered I was among that group.

But this violence on a small baby was so vile, I think I would want to expunge any child of mine, who could do such a thing, completely out of my life. Destroy the photos and any mention of them. I would not visit and I would leave my money elsewhere.

Doctors and anyone else should speak up. The truth is what counts. I was once a whistleblower and stood in front of a board of directors and told of the fraudulent activity I had witnessed. Nobody should be afraid of being called a liar if they know they’re telling the truth.

I’m long retired but we don’t forget the children, their families or the training and experienced gained over many years. After Blair’s Working Together orange book of good practice guidance, my area set up good quality multi agency training. We developed constructive working relationships alongside good practice. I learned so much about non accidental injuries from our paediatricians

Preston’s history with these wicked depraved men is hard to contemplate. Red flags for me was their reluctance to cooperate with his foster carers, his primary attachment figures. The fractured elbow? Did an experienced paediatrician examine him, look at scans and X-rays. If a carer had told me the fracture occurred as he was putting the baby in his cot, alarm bells would have been blaring.

Doctors, like social workers, have become less likely to take the risks and pressures in children and families safeguarding work. They become scapegoats when things go wrong. I’m not defending shoddy, superficial practice. I’m suggesting austerity in public services is a contributory factor.

Case loads of maximum 12 are usually recommended by any reviews. Yet sw regularly have 20 or 30. There have always been a number of dangerous families. These two men seem to have charmed and manipulated practitioners and health staff, all of whom lacked curiosity about how a healthy happy baby was suddenly having a fracture, bruises and the reviewing officer noting a quieter presentation

Iam64

No we haven’t Galaxy, much as some may wish it so. Working in prisons is tough. The last thing we need are vigilantes encouraged to act our murderous fantasies.
The behaviour of these two men is beyond my ability to describe. I understand the horror and anger expressed here, share it but encouraging murder or torture, even against this deprived evil pair won’t solve anything

Nobody is encouraging murder or torture. We are merely mentioning what will happen when they get to prison, whether we want it to happen or not.

rarelymary, did you read my post about the small boy in care who elected to choose adoption by a lesbian couple, as he had suffered at the hands of men in his birth family?

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I mean they won't serve their full sentences in the way huntley didn't serve his full sentence.

I'm sure they will serve out their whole sentence. The one with the 25 minimum will be lucky if he manages to get out after his sentence. There will no doubt be an outcry at the thought of him being released.

They got the sentence they deserved. And it will be a living hell for them. Which pleases me greatly.

With the two trips to hospital , a safeguarding alert raised at one,yet S. W. had no concerns. Absolutely awful. Those two perpetrators are not human.

I don’t agree with capital punishment and I think the ‘honour amongst thieves’ death penalty is wrong as well. As FGT says life without parole is a very long time indeed.

What I never understand about this type of case is how did the perpetrator ever expect to get away with it? Little Preston had had three previous hospital visits whilst in his adopters’ care and one of them even said to the hospital staff that they’d be thinking the men were abusing Preston, he was attending A&E so often. Is it some kind of power trip or what?

It is not that I agree with it Iam64 but I do not think for one moment they will serve their full sentences. So the reality is that it isn't the state who is doing the deed but someone else.

Surely I can’t be alone in wanting justice done here, ie a life sentence to mean just that - as say Ian Bradley and Myra Hindley - without this awful ‘he’ll get what’s coming to him in prison’ mentality?

To be incarcerated for the rest of one’s life IS punishment.

Well deserved but just think about the enormity of that for a few seconds. No chance of parole.

To deprive someone of their lifestyle is indeed a very harsh punishment.

I feel thinking that other prisoners might yet dole out their own form of justice is quite sickening. I take no pleasure in these thoughts.

We either have the death penalty or we do not.

No we haven’t Galaxy, much as some may wish it so. Working in prisons is tough. The last thing we need are vigilantes encouraged to act our murderous fantasies.
The behaviour of these two men is beyond my ability to describe. I understand the horror and anger expressed here, share it but encouraging murder or torture, even against this deprived evil pair won’t solve anything

We have out sourced the death penalty then, to other violent men.

Bridey

Sometimes i think the death penalty would be applicable in these horrific cases.

No because death is an easy way out for these 2 vile men.

One is going to spend the rest of his life terrified of other prisoners and what they will inflict on him. Even prisoners have honour and the child abuser/killer is the lowest of the low.

Think what happened to Ian Huntley. for these two their crimes were so vile. I actually think that they will not survive long. Varley's life sentence will be short because he will be killed by another prisoner in the meanwhile he will suffer daily violence and never be able to relax for fear of what is creeping up on him.

A little angel preyed upon by two evil and depraved individuals who have no right to take a breath without suffering the kind of pain that baby suffered.
I cannot look at his pictures anymore it is just too sad for words

what a beautiful wee boy, what he must have suffered at the hands of these monsters, how many times have we heard of this happening and nothing seems to change, the people who were supposed to be looking out for him can't possibly be doing their job properly or it wouldn't keep happening .

The direct neighbours of the couple said they heard the baby crying more than was usual

Awful.

My misunderstanding, Silvershadow. I assumed that when you were speaking of the " vetting process" you were referring to the adoption checks

He should have stood a chance though Primrose which was why he was put up for adoption. His biological father may be a convicted criminal and drug addict who never met his son, but he'd have known he was being adopted and wouldn't have expected it to go so horribly wrong.

I hoped for a whole life tariff too Sarnia and was pleased at the minimum of 25 years sentence.