John Healy has resigned as Defence Secretary

Maremia

I think the ecstasy was at the removal of the Tory after so long.

Exactly Maremia
But it’s the same welcome that any new government gets.

I was surprised that the Conservatives won 2 further elections after the 2010 change from Labour.
Why were the memories of the LP rule so bad, and the potential LP Prime Ministers so unappealing that not enough Labour voters turned out to effect an earlier change?

Grantanow

Presumably Dan Jarvis is perfectly content with the Starmer and Reeve's allication to defence and will defend it to the last man or woman standing.

Not necessarily at all - it’s often a question of whether you’re in or out of the tent isn’t it as you urinate? Also maybe until you’re really doing the job, you don’t know what it really entails or the power dynamics .

Tuliptree

Yes Sarnia just like War Bonds but I suppose we say Defence because we’re not actually at war. I guess they’d be a long term investment but they would be safe. They could invoke the patriotic spirit and NF and TR could tell us how much they were investing. It would be a good test of putting your money where your mouth is wouldn’t it? Royal Family could also publicly buy some bonds.

Great idea👍

NF could encourage some of his
‘patriotic’ billionaire friends to invest in them too.

We could get Elon to orchestrate a campaign on X to hunt down people who hadn’t bought any bonds and then post naked images of them.

Tuliptree your post of 15.16.25 is in extremely bad taste.

Spare a thought for the people, usually women and children that this has happened to, and continues to happen to…

GrannyGravy13

Tuliptree your post of 15.16.25 is in extremely bad taste.

Spare a thought for the people, usually women and children that this has happened to, and continues to happen to…

For goodness sake it is satire and making the point that Musk who has so much to say about our country and interferes through X in our affairs is a disgusting creature and it would be great if he and his faux patriots had the the tables turned on them. SATIRICALLY

For anyone who doesn’t understand satire
www.google.com/search?q=satire&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#lfId=ChxjMe

Tuliptree I do understand satire, there was nothing in your post to suggest it was satirical.

Maybe if you had used emojis 🤷‍♀️

Tuliptree

Yes Sarnia just like War Bonds but I suppose we say Defence because we’re not actually at war. I guess they’d be a long term investment but they would be safe. They could invoke the patriotic spirit and NF and TR could tell us how much they were investing. It would be a good test of putting your money where your mouth is wouldn’t it? Royal Family could also publicly buy some bonds.

A bit like saying that the Labour Government are not econimically ept[as opposed to inept?] enough to have enough money to do it by themselves?

GrannyGravy13

Tuliptree I do understand satire, there was nothing in your post to suggest it was satirical.

Maybe if you had used emojis 🤷‍♀️

You know my political views on a range of issues - you should have been able to work it out. I trust most people on this thread were able to manage without emojis

Fancy - I don’t quite get what you mean. I think defense bonds are a possible partial solution and the basic idea is not new . Governments issue bonds all the time - the advantage of defence bonds is that it can tap into the patriotic spirit and also people would know exactly what they were investing in.

Tuliptree if you assume I know your political views, then I will assume you know mine.

I am vehemently against the exploitation of women and girls, Grok’s editing ability exploits them.

If you think an attempt at satire on this issue is ok, well…

I am sorry, it was blindingly obvious to me that Tulips post was sarcastic.

M0nica

I am sorry, it was blindingly obvious to me that Tulips post was sarcastic.

I have to say that sometimes I read a post and think it’s satirical and then I see who’s posted it and realise it’s deadly serious. (Insert laughing emoji if necessary)

GrannyGravy13

Tuliptree if you assume I know your political views, then I will assume you know mine.

I am vehemently against the exploitation of women and girls, Grok’s editing ability exploits them.

If you think an attempt at satire on this issue is ok, well…

Well I’m quite happy to let my post stand and I make no apologies for it.

Given the very clear reasons given by Al Cairn for his resignation, how can Dan Jarvis take up an appointment which will put him in the same situation? He is signalling that he agrees with the paltry defence budget AND with the hounding of veterans....

FriedGreenTomatoes2 yes, he was offered a poisoned chalice and excepted it 🤦‍♀️

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Given the very clear reasons given by Al Cairn for his resignation, how can Dan Jarvis take up an appointment which will put him in the same situation? He is signalling that he agrees with the paltry defence budget AND with the hounding of veterans....

No he’s signalling that he understands why our armed forces are in such a mess and why we are constrained financially in so many ways, partly due to world events that are out of our control. Healey resigned on principle because he wasn’t being given the funding he needed which is understandable. It doesn’t mean that Jarvis ( an MP that I’ve always had the greatest respect for and I thought of him as PM material at one time, something that was probably curtailed because of the death of his wife) won’t be fighting for more investment from the government.

I agree GG13

Desperate Dan takes the 30 pieces of silver.

M0nica

I am sorry, it was blindingly obvious to me that Tulips post was sarcastic.

Not sure about that. Sarcasm and satire are two different things . . . and Tt said it was satire.

I agree with you MayBee. There’s more than one way to fight your corner and Dan Jarvis has never come across as a 30 pieces of silver man or desperate. But rather a brave man who has served his country. Indeed his incredibly impressive military career doesn’t quite match the profile of a man who would hound the troops and other unspeakable acts of treachery and desperation. I respect him in the way I’ve always respected Tobias Ellwood, Ben Wallace and Tom Tugendhat.. I think rubbishing men ( and women) who have served their countries well and bravely is pretty shabby in fact. So let’s see what he does now.

Molly if you’d read the link, you’d see sarcasm can be part of satire.

But they’re not the same thing.

Tuliptree

I did post yesterday asking what people thought about the issuing of defence bonds?

I think it's a good idea. It would put people's savings to productive use and they would be guaranteed the interest on them and the return of their principal at term. A very safe place for savings. It's been done before I believe.

(Though I do know a story about the issue of war bonds in WW1...)

Tuliptree's posts: 14.17.28 & 15.16.25.

Both vulgar.