Equality and Diversity Laws, should these be scrapped??

Perhaps young, white males feel "left out" as they have been deprived of their perceived birthright which they see as entitling them to be given jobs in preference to anybody who is not white and male. White males don't own these jobs so how can they be taken a way from them.

Women and non-whites need to be able to afford food and accommodation so they need to earn money too.

OK David, let’s go with your views and beliefs.

How exactly is supporting Reform going to help Mr Average White British Male?

Is “stopping the boats” going to personally benefit them?

Is stopping all benefits going to help these poor men?

Which jobs would you like to see us women giving up so these white men (apparently so determined to work) can do instead of us?

How will stopping legitimate immigration help these white men?

I’m truly interested?

How will singing the national anthem at the end public meetings directly benefit these white men?

We have three daughters and two sons, we have raised them all the same, with the same rules and same rewards. We’ve raised 5 respectful humans, who have a work ethic and understand their own lives are now their responsibilities and to be resilient and to challenge injustice. To understand violence, rioting, etc is wrong. They all understand life is hard, sometimes not fair and that mistakes and hardship are actually a part of real life.

Perhaps, if everyone understood this we wouldn’t have “white British men” blaming everyone except themselves for their own frustrations and failures.

There are more opportunities than ever before in our world, along with more challenges.

It’s up to all of us to make the very best of the cards we’ve been dealt, and to reach out for help when we need it, or conversely, to give help to those who need it most

Actually, sad to say it, your post smacks of whinging and has made me quite cross!

David49

Boz

I think David as a point in this day and age because really it comes down to Perception; young white males feel 'left out' so turn to Reform.

It's not just young men men of all ages feel the same and their votes are going to Reform, not just men many women think the same way, Badenoch for one, my wife for another and she is very independant thinking.

Disappointed so few bothered to respond with other reasons for the changes.

I think that there are a number of reasons why people are turning to Reform, although polling seems to suggest that the numbers have peaked.

There's financial insecurity, racism, disillusionment with the previously dominant political parties which they feel have done very little for them, and a constant stream of media and populists' reinforcement of their views.

As to your wife's support of your views, there were plenty of women who were against women having the vote. Perhaps you think enfranchising women was a bad move too?

Reform have done nothing but exploit “white” people’s fears, anxieties and insecurities.

The media exacerbate this by repeatedly stating inaccurate and sometimes exaggerated claims about migrants and asylum seekers.

Together these two “bodies” have created hate and division in our country.

I cannot state with my hand on my heart that there have not been some utterly heartbreaking and appalling crimes carried out in our country by non-whites. These are not new, they are not acceptable and they get a huge amount more political and media coverage than similar crimes committed across decades by white British people (primarily men)

Does that make me hate all men? No, does it make me fear all non-white people? No.

It’s the sheer hatred some British people show towards many many people of different faiths/nationalities/skin colour that I find deeply disturbing.

We have gone way off track on this thread as creating equal opportunities for all to access jobs/services and live their lives independently goes far far beyond the sensibilities of a minority, and I do believe they are a minority of disgruntled white people of all ages and gender.

From AI

"white working-class boys face severe, well-documented disadvantages, particularly in education"

"organisations and academic institutions push harder to address historical inequities, there has been a noticeable decline in the hiring and representation of young white men in elite pathways and some corporate roles"

" Many argue that well-intentioned quotas or diversity programs can inadvertently create a system where white males feel sidelined or systematically excluded from opportunities."

Surely the principle should be simple: the best person should get the job. Any form of discrimination, whether direct or indirect, is unfair. We are not calling for a return to "white privilege" or preferential treatment for any group; we are simply advocating for fairness, equal opportunity, and hiring based on merit, skills, and suitability for the role.

Yes, we have gone off track, for the moment, but it was important to work through the concerns of a frequent poster, if we can.

sundowngirl

From AI

"white working-class boys face severe, well-documented disadvantages, particularly in education"

"organisations and academic institutions push harder to address historical inequities, there has been a noticeable decline in the hiring and representation of young white men in elite pathways and some corporate roles"

" Many argue that well-intentioned quotas or diversity programs can inadvertently create a system where white males feel sidelined or systematically excluded from opportunities."

Surely the principle should be simple: the best person should get the job. Any form of discrimination, whether direct or indirect, is unfair. We are not calling for a return to "white privilege" or preferential treatment for any group; we are simply advocating for fairness, equal opportunity, and hiring based on merit, skills, and suitability for the role.

I agree. Nothing wrong at all in ensuring ALL have a fair and equal chance at getting an interview and ultimately a job role, providing they meet the criteria and experience and knowledge required to do the best job.

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There is a perception amongst men, some women too that benefits are too easy to claim and to generous to non working people groups which they are paying for.

Badenoch is going to get a lot of support if this policy is promote, she is not a polititian that I favour but many will.

rafichagran
Ah, thank you.

I did really mean that they were most likely to be discriminated against, but again, it depends on a host of other factors, I'm sure.

Plus, I'm not sure what changes have taken place since I learnt about sociology.

I'm wildly out of date, i suppose

sundowngirl

From AI

"white working-class boys face severe, well-documented disadvantages, particularly in education"

"organisations and academic institutions push harder to address historical inequities, there has been a noticeable decline in the hiring and representation of young white men in elite pathways and some corporate roles"

" Many argue that well-intentioned quotas or diversity programs can inadvertently create a system where white males feel sidelined or systematically excluded from opportunities."

Surely the principle should be simple: the best person should get the job. Any form of discrimination, whether direct or indirect, is unfair. We are not calling for a return to "white privilege" or preferential treatment for any group; we are simply advocating for fairness, equal opportunity, and hiring based on merit, skills, and suitability for the role.

Good comments.
Our SIL who works for a well known firm told me that he and his dept had to attend a ‘diversity training’ talk, as part of the Company’s commitment to this that and the other.He said that most of it was what they already knew but that the rather aggressive woman giving the talk said to him when he raised a point with her ‘I don’t want to hear from you as a privileged white male’ ! SIL isn’t a youngster with an attitude he’s a CEO who’s 40 and mild mannered.

I did hope that this kind of attitude to men had waned, or peaked, as the trans activists nonsense seems to have done since the High Court ruling.

The problem is, that you’re right, it’s a “perception” not a reality.

Having worked in the benefits arena, in a myriad of roles and in partnership with local councils and family workers, I can utterly assure you, anyone living purely on benefits, unless they are working on the side, have a whole host of disabilities and children with disabilities or drug dealing is NOT living a life full of luxuries! (Between 2009-2022)

I’ve been in family homes and I’ve seen and heard shocking stories about WHY people are living on benefits, ranging from having to raise their grandchildren as Dad “did a runner” and mum is unable to look after her own children (drugs/disabilities/mental breakdown/disappeared herself and in two heartbreaking families, Mum murdered by Dad), to Mum or Dad having severe disabilities, addiction issues, or other issues, homelessness, children not in education, children unwell or disabled. There are so many more reasons than some people, fortunate never to have been unemployed, realise and these cases are much more common that the men and women holidaying in Benidorm, with 60” tellers, manicured nails, false eye lashes out clubbing whilst drinking and smoking, which the media, especially the DM, and certain TV channels love to portray.

Of course anyone who can work should work and those finding getting a job hard should have resource to help them do so.

I’m not quite sure why some think only Badenoch is concerned about those on benefits who should be working are not working, as far as I can see ALL parties want and need as many people in work as possible.

At the risk of being a complete bore, may I remind you that Universal Credit working people on low incomes, people too unwell to work, people who will never work due to disabilities ie severe learning difficulties, those “between jobs”, those made redundant, school/college/University leavers, as well long term unemployed.

There needs to be a complete review of the entire job centre service, much longer appointments, removal of pointless and penalising staff targets, much closer links between job centre work coaches and local employers, better use of targeted training for claimants at all levels and then moving onto employment specific training targeted at vacancies in the VA local labour market. So so much more could be done across the UK to make our job centres do what it says on the Tim, source jobs, prepare people for work.

There needs to be a complete review of the entire job centre service, much longer appointments, removal of pointless and penalising staff targets, much closer links between job centre work coaches and local employers, better use of targeted training for claimants at all levels and then moving onto employment specific training targeted at vacancies in the VA local labour market. So so much more could be done across the UK to make our job centres do what it says on the Tim, source jobs, prepare people for work.

I worked in Jobcentres in the early 80s. This is almost word for word what was on offer then. Trained Employment Advisers having a good knowledge of the local labour market and training opportunities, able to advise and guide people towards productive career opportunities.

The whole thing was scrapped and now we have Jobcentres hardly worthy of the name - Jobcentres 'light' if you like. All in the name of saving money.

David, your comments are exactly the kind that fuel outbreaks of violence and misogyny. Women taking jobs - speechless here

Blinko I couldn’t agree more and “Jobcentre” as a name is completely misleading!!

I wondered when someone would use the M word it's the answer to everything, but it doesnt change anything, men are pushing back against the changes that are happening

That's why society is changing in ways you don't like

You're not an Andrew Tate fan, are you David?

What changes are men pushing back against

The M word?

Men are pushing back, to get back to where?

Maremia

Men are pushing back, to get back to where?

The nineteenth century, I think...

My DIL is an engineer, and is head of her department. She has been consulted by an eminent university regarding the content and structure of their postgraduate courses.
Maybe the men in her team feel the need to " push back" ...or maybe they respect her as a knowledgeable leader

David49

twaddle

David49

Discrimination and equality has gone mad there is only one group that is not vulnerable, white males, assuming they are not gay, disabled or some other disadvantage.
It doesn't affect me Im old and vulnerable now, so enjoying the advantages, that women, migrants, ethnic this or that and all the other groups have been getting.

In my opinion, that's a gross exaggeration.

White males are the largest group voting for Reform, not just high earners, working class too, they are very dissatisfied, this spills over into the riots we see in Southampton and Belfast. They are fed up with discrimination against them in many many ways, not least by women taking many of the jobs.

There is clearly a significant level of dissatisfaction among some voters, including many white working-class men, and that helps explain support for Reform. Concerns about economic insecurity, housing, wages, public services, cultural change, and trust in political institutions are real and deserve to be taken seriously.

However, it's important to distinguish between dissatisfaction and the reasons attributed to it. Claims that white men face widespread discrimination or that women are "taking many of the jobs" are contentious and require evidence (something David doesn't offer). Employment is not a fixed pie where one group's gains automatically come at another group's expense. Women's increased participation in the workforce has largely reflected social and economic changes rather than jobs being taken from men.

Similarly, riots and public disorder are complex phenomena. They can be influenced by political grievances, economic conditions, social tensions, misinformation, local circumstances, and the actions of specific groups. It is difficult to attribute them to a single cause or to the views of any one demographic group.

A more productive discussion is not whether one group is to blame, but why some people feel left behind - why they feel they should automatically be given jobs others can do better - and which policies might address those concerns without turning different groups against each other.

I am all for a more productive discussion.