Cold rage

What concerns me more are the lenient sentences handed down. Both Henry Nowak and this young man's murderer were handed life sentences for unprovoked attacks but both will be eligible for parole in 21/22 years. They will still have many years ahead of them to marry, have children and live a life. A courtesy they did not extend to their victims. A life sentence needs to mean exactly that. Their victim's families will be serving one, why not them?

Several factors brought the case of Henry Nowak into prominence; the false account of the murder by the murderer and his family which hastened the victim's death, the fact that he was allowed to carry a bladed instrument legally because of his faith, and the poor response of the police.
I do not recall accounts of Henry Nowak's death if December 2025 although I am sure it was reported , as was the death of Algasim.

Vance specifically blames Henry's murder on 'migrant invasion' and that Henry would still be alive if Europe had tightened its grip on "the mass invasion of migrants". Shameful.

Tony Robinson reports information about Digwa's conviction to Musk, Musk amplifies misinformation and invasion of migrant conspiracy theories and Farage whips up cold pure anger.

Did they do any of this for Agaism- no. Most likely because he was not white, his murder provided no opportunity to push their nationalist agenda and conspiracy theories and thus not such an easy trigger to provoke division and disorder..

Galaxy

A number of deaths particularly when the police are involved receive more political and media attention, George Floyd, Sarah Everard, etc. If those are discussed by a range of politicians, then to be honest I see very little difference.

Are you aware there is a huge difference between the deaths of George Floyd and Sarah Everard and the murders. of Henry and Agaism.

Floyd was brutally murdered by a police officer with 2 other officers holding him down to assist in the 9.5 minute asphyxiation. Everard was kidnapped, raped and strangled by a police officer.

The murders of Everard and Floyd have nothing whatsoever in common with the murders of Henry (white and murdered by a Sikh man) and Agaism (a student from Saudi Arabia who was murdered by a British man). The difference in reaction from Vance, Farage, Musk and others is telling as Twaddle highlights.

It's what is needful to point out the difference in the responses we get on these issues, and that is what the O/P intended to highlight.

2 tier reporting is what is happening, on a massive scale.

It's good to see the BBC - there will be others - to have reported both on an appropriate factual level and not go off on some rant.

twaddle

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o

The link needs to be read. This victim's parents are also suffering.

Where are the posts on social media from Vance, Musk and Farage? Two tier commenting maybe.

There are two things here I think. The first thing is that the link details the senseless and unprovoked killing of a young man and his killer’s Father’s cover up.Which is a similar case to the killing of Henry Nowak, with the killer’s Mother and brother doing a similar cover up.
And there the similarities end, as the Saudi student wasn’t treated badly by the police and handcuffed and read his rights as he lay dying and the white killer treated with kindness and consideration.

Thank you.
I'm like a dog with a bone when i get a bee in my bonnet, to mix me metaphors (?)

I'm not even sure I'm making sense!

MissAdventure

I certainly don't find it goady.
It's our news to discuss as we see fit, just the same as the the currently discussed murder of Henry.

The issue that's come to light in the wake of Henry's tragic death is the questioning of the police's response to the event.

Again, our discusion worthy, without the implication that everyday people have an agenda in doing so, or are unable to apply critical thinking.

Good post. I agree.

I certainly don't find it goady.
It's our news to discuss as we see fit, just the same as the the currently discussed murder of Henry.

The issue that's come to light in the wake of Henry's tragic death is the questioning of the police's response to the event.

Again, our discusion worthy, without the implication that everyday people have an agenda in doing so, or are unable to apply critical thinking.

It's not goady to discuss attacks on our country by Musk and Vance by using tragic events. They never fail to make disparaging remarks by any means fair or foul. In this case definitely foul.

I don’t find this post (to use the current word) ‘goady ’. The same as I don’t find the response from some posters decrying it as ‘goady’…….

Perhaps there was little publicity about this murder because the police weren't involved. I don't remember anything being reported about Henry Nowak's murder when it happened. Sadly, it's clear that the court case is being used for political reasons. I don't find the OP goady, it is relevant to what is in the news ATM and adds a perspective.

MissAdventure

Are you politicising the murder?
What did the police do in this case, do you know?
Similar, though, reading that.
Another one with a parent thay covers for him.
Disgraceful animal!

I simply cannot understand these misguided awful mothers.

I cannot think how I’d feel if this was my child, but attempting to cover up murder in this way is beyond my understanding!

Doodledog

I don’t think it’s politicising to compare the cases. In one, a white man was killed by a Sikh, and there are riots and questions in parliament. In another a Saudi man is killed by a white man, and there is no outcry. Both victims were young students starting out in life, and both aggressors were dangerous thugs.

The nature of the police involvement in the Henry Nowak case was an added factor, but the end result was that two families have lost a son who should have had a bright future. Isn’t it necessary to ask why one case has had calls for ‘cold, hard rage’ and the other not? Particularly when those calls are coming from a man who is positioning himself as our next PM.

I completely agree.

Murder is a terrible thing, loss and grief and heartache are the same whatever colour or race the victim is.

Too many young people die at the hands of terrible people, it’s matters not one jot what colour the perpetrator is, ALL of them should feel the full force of justice.

I do nor find this post (or poster) goady.

It’s a valid point and a valid link.

Too many people on here of late are too quick to criticise the individual posters rather than read the links and consider the very valid points often raised.

Sadly, many tragic events are politicised, it’s very unfortunate, but I feel it’s a downside of our modern political system.

BlueBelle

It’s horrible, they are not publishing anything about white, home grown villains it makes me so angry, disappointed, and upset
It is so unfair the press runs us, and so many believe every word

👏👏👏👏👏👏

This young man was murdered last December, six months ago, why was there no outrage, visits to Downing Street, media attention and so at the time? Why now and not then?!

MissAdventure

Are you politicising the murder?
What did the police do in this case, do you know?
Similar, though, reading that.
Another one with a parent thay covers for him.
Disgraceful animal!

Did you read the link Miss Adventure. It seems like a well written, unbiased report to me. Not something I would always say of our press these days.

nanna8

This is goady subject and should be stopped. Disgusting. Have some thought for that poor family.

Absolutely. The poster has a history of doing this even though most of us recognise it for what it is and ignore it. I think we’ve heard enough about goady posts bearing in mind our much missed Allira.

I think that Vance's remarks are a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black. The US legal system is and always has been heavily biassed against people of colour. This has led to riots at various times in a host of US cities.

I wish Starmer would respond in a way that puts Vance down and point out that the US is no position to make comments on our legal system, but all he has done is make some mild protest.

If it had been the other way round and Starmer had critices the US legal system Vance et al would have come down on him like a ton of bricks.

This is goady subject and should be stopped. Disgusting. Have some thought for that poor family.

I wouldn't engage with people with their views. Vance and Farage are beneath contempt.

Every time a young person is murdered it leaves a family grieving.

The circumstances of Henry Novak’s last seconds on this earth were made worse by the actions of the police attending the scene.

If you are concerned about the response from politicians both here and abroad maybe a swift email to them may get a reply 🤷‍♀️

Vance is a racist white Christian Nationalist who supports far right politics and I take his comments in that context ie ignore him America has gone mad

Vance's comments on the murder of Henry Nowak were to stir up division in the UK. He has been accused of interfering in British politics before blaming immigrants for all the ills in this country.
It's time people like Vance and Musk looked at the mess the US is making throughout the world before criticising other countries.
His comments were so disrespectful to the family of Henry Nowak. Using this tragedy to stir up hatred as has Farage. Disgusting people.

Going off topic, but why do some Posters have a problem with the Floyd case?