What needs to happen to stop violent protest on the streets of Southampton against the police and to stop agitators wrongly targeting police officers on line with death threats?

It is generally of poor quality, to be fair that applies to a number of mandatory training courses.

Silvershadow

Mamie

I also suspect that there may well be influences involved to destabilise the country using social media and audiovisual media, by sources from beyond the UK.
The meme of the photos of George Floyd and of Starmer taking the knee combined with erroneous allegations that the Prime Minister had been silent on the Nowak case, makes me very suspicious.

He did take the knee. So did Rayner. Nothing questionable about it. Footballers were also made to take the knee in every match.

Where did I say that Starmer did not take the knee? Many people did after the shocking events of 2020. What I don't believe is that all the people who mentioned in the last week, suddenly, spontaneously remembered it.
This is propaganda at work. I have no doubt that the sources are dubious.

So how can Starmer criticise Farage for taking political advantage of this situation.
Taking the knee is a political gesture.

Its easy as pie to look things up foe ourselves.
Didn't starmer take the knee, for example - use google, and there's your answer.
Farage or no Farage has no bearing on that.

Starmer's kneeling was not an outright call to violence,as was Farage's diatribe. Most of those present in parliament showed that they knew what Farage's game was and barracked him.

Boz

So how can Starmer criticise Farage for taking political advantage of this situation.
Taking the knee is a political gesture.

As Leader of the Opposition Starmer took the knee in June 2020 on the day of George Floyd's funeral in America.
Did people not understand that?

It’s not propaganda because many people, myself included, thought taking the knee for something that didn’t happen in the UK was ridiculous.

The reason they did it, Starmer and Rayner, is the same reason they do a lot of things - votes from that community. Same as other things they do or do not do. Farage has nothing to do with that, like him or loathe him.

Farage suggested that people react with pure, cold rage.
I am raging, i feel pure cold rage.

I'm not going to even go to a protest march, though, let alone riot.

I also feel pure cold rage but I’m also not thinking about rioting either. The two are not mutually conclusive.

Boz

So how can Starmer criticise Farage for taking political advantage of this situation.
Taking the knee is a political gesture.

Farage was, as a political leader, inciting the public to riot. That is a completely different ballgame to what has gone before, and was why he was condemned by parliament yesterday.

Silvershadow

It’s not propaganda because many people, myself included, thought taking the knee for something that didn’t happen in the UK was ridiculous.

The reason they did it, Starmer and Rayner, is the same reason they do a lot of things - votes from that community. Same as other things they do or do not do. Farage has nothing to do with that, like him or loathe him.

The propaganda relates to the current meme on social media intended to denigrate the Prime Minister.
What some people thought in 2020 is irrelevant.

People have been politicising murders for years, again I am sorry but what did people think was going to happen.

Have you ever known a British party leader incite a riot before Galaxy? Of course they politicise,, but within a convention of political norms to maintain civil order.

Silvershadow

I also feel pure cold rage but I’m also not thinking about rioting either. The two are not mutually conclusive.

Exactly!

I don't think he did casdon, sorry I just don't. I think he exploited a situation because he is good at that.

Casdon

Have you ever known a British party leader incite a riot before Galaxy? Of course they politicise,, but within a convention of political norms to maintain civil order.

Nigel Farage saying what a lot of people are saying is not inciting a riot.

I listened to his address in parliament and on social media.

Mamie

Silvershadow

It’s not propaganda because many people, myself included, thought taking the knee for something that didn’t happen in the UK was ridiculous.

The reason they did it, Starmer and Rayner, is the same reason they do a lot of things - votes from that community. Same as other things they do or do not do. Farage has nothing to do with that, like him or loathe him.

The propaganda relates to the current meme on social media intended to denigrate the Prime Minister.
What some people thought in 2020 is irrelevant.

It is clearly relevant when Starmer took the knee, riots ensued right across the country, statues were destroyed, baying mobs were deployed. All because Floyd was black.

I did not hear Farage call for rioting. He said he felt pure cold rage. Many others feel similarly. I’m one of them but I’m not out there rioting.

Isn’t that what the Floyd mob felt or is that allowed somehow?

Everyone knows there are bad apples.
People who protest about all kinds of things with the intention of involving themselves in some kind of violence.
To tar everyone with the same brush, well, people can draw their own conclusions abut people who conflate the two.

On the diversity training, I hope that we may now get some more transparency and discussion about content. Look at the terrible advice the likes of Stonewall were giving to organisations. I would be really interested in unpicking who is providing the training, etc.

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

Have you ever known a British party leader incite a riot before Galaxy? Of course they politicise,, but within a convention of political norms to maintain civil order.

Nigel Farage saying what a lot of people are saying is not inciting a riot.

I listened to his address in parliament and on social media.

I heard it too GrannyGravy13. He clearly told people to ‘take to the streets’.

Did he actually say that Casdon?
If so, that's a dog whistle!

It worked in Ulster GG13

It worked in London. When landlords said 'No Irish', GG13.

Galaxy

People have been politicising murders for years, again I am sorry but what did people think was going to happen.

Interesting. this came up on BlueSky this morning:

After the murder of Sarah Everard, by an actual serving police officer Farage said:

We must not let the tragic murder of a young woman turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police.

bsky.app/profile/ottoenglish.bsky.social/post/3mnfqnp3su22k

I suppose he couldn't find any way of exploiting the death of a woman at the hands of a policeman to his political advantage or to cause any mayhem.

Sarah's death and its aftermath had been on my mind before I saw this. I didn't notice the women's 'protest' at her death turn into a running fight with the police.

I'm not trying to say this as 'whataboutery'. it's the completely different reaction from Farage which I find interesting.

He stopped short of condemning those who took to the streets.

I didn’t hear him telling people to take to the streets

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