Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

LauraNorderr

Good post LemonJam, I agree with every point.

Sorry, I meant your longer post at 18.03 very well put.

Cossy

“ Tuliptree

surfsup
Primrose53

Oh surfsup your last sentence did make me laugh! 🤣🤣

Always good to know I’ve put a smile on someone’s face Primrose flowers

What an unpleasant snide comment from both of you - would that you could both contribute so eruditely and informatively as Lemonjam.“

Thanks Tulip

Surfups and Primrose Can you not save your snides and outright rudeness for other posts less important and heartbreaking than this one? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Quite .

Good post LemonJam, I agree with every point.

Oreo

It’s true that over long posts can’t be constantly reposted as quotes or they do take up the whole page nearly.Also if posters dip in and out of threads as most do it can be a case of TLDR.

That can be true but it doesn’t have to be stated so unpleasantly and jeered at as some previous posters have does it?

I understand posters who choose not to read or respond to any they consider TLDR including mind. However when a poster is accusing me specifically of gaslighting them I reserve the right to post their original post and my reply offering the chance for them to clarify and explain.

“ Tuliptree

surfsup
Primrose53

Oh surfsup your last sentence did make me laugh! 🤣🤣

Always good to know I’ve put a smile on someone’s face Primrose flowers

What an unpleasant snide comment from both of you - would that you could both contribute so eruditely and informatively as Lemonjam.“

Thanks Tulip

Surfups and Primrose Can you not save your snides and outright rudeness for other posts less important and heartbreaking than this one? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

I thought Trevor Phillips spoke good sense this morning.

Sago IKWYM but good that we can talk about such an important subject.😃

Maremia

It's good and amazing to see that Starmer and Badenoch appear to be on the same page, on this tragic issue.

Yes, two people putting political debates and differences to do the right thing!

LemonJam

Nenry's family showed such dignity again as they walked out of Downing Street after their meeting with Starmer. Bedenoch has also met with the family and posted on X:

"They have asked that we work across political parties and religions to rebuild trust in the police. That trust has been broken because of what happened, and I agree with them on that.

We must also be prepared to examine, carefully and seriously, religious practices or exemptions that permit the carrying of dangerous weapons in public, and other activities that are not conducive to the public good. We also need to examine where the law needs to change.

Henry’s family do not want anger to tear communities apart. They are a family who have friends across faith and race, and so did Henry. His family want his memory to help bring our society together".

Let's hope all the political parties can work together to rebuild trust in the police and bring society together as the family wish.

I completely agree

It’s true that over long posts can’t be constantly reposted as quotes or they do take up the whole page nearly.Also if posters dip in and out of threads as most do it can be a case of TLDR.

surfsup

Primrose53

Oh surfsup your last sentence did make me laugh! 🤣🤣

Always good to know I’ve put a smile on someone’s face Primrose

What an unpleasant snide comment from both of you - would that you could both contribute so eruditely and informatively as Lemonjam.

I don't think this has been posted, it's the full 999 call made by the brother, in which he says Henry is drunk, which was an absolute lie.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuTZs4f6tAI

Maremia

It's good and amazing to see that Starmer and Badenoch appear to be on the same page, on this tragic issue.

Yes it is. I’m no Kemi fan but I think she’s responded to this well. And it’s right our leading politicians work together on the issues surrounding this tragedy.

I’ve some experience of diversity equality inclusion training though I’m twelve years retired so not up to date. Our training was multi agency, sw, health, education, police etc. it’s the most challenging training to deliver, participants close down, st contributing and many resent being as they see it, criticised or patronised. We usually had so called experts in for the period allocated to this subject, I feel cringe just thinking about it.
These days participants will have had years of Dei input at school, during their university courses and in ongoing training in the work place. We tried to ensure it was simply an integral part of training and imo that worked more effectively and encouraged open discussion

It's good and amazing to see that Starmer and Badenoch appear to be on the same page, on this tragic issue.

I don’t know who Paul Birch is but as it’s said he earns his living by writing about “wokeness” that says something.

That he resigned from the police because of “the doctrine of both political parties I can’t comment on as I don’t know the context or detail.

Primrose53

twaddle

MaizieD

petra

This article written by an ex high ranking officer who resigned from the force because of the doctrine of both political parties.

mol.im/a/15879673

Would you be able to give us some idea of what this officer said, petra? I'm afraid I have no desire at all to subscribe to the Daily Mail in order to read it..

I'm not going to subscribe to the Daily Mail either, but the link allowed me to see that the article is written by Paul Birch, whose name I recognised. He's a former counter-terrorism officer, who now makes his money by writing about "wokeness". I suspect this www.spiked-online.com/2026/06/02/henry-nowaks-death-reveals-a-police-force-corrupted-by-wokeness/ has the same content as the DM article.

He evidently has definite views and is entitled to his opinion, but it is no more than an opinion.

Obviously Paul Birch knows more about it than you or I.

Now Rick Prior, former Chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation has also spoken out in a similar vein. There will be more true accounts given no doubt.

No doubt you will dismiss him too because it doesn’t suit your agenda. 🤔

He can't be 'dismissed' by anyone who hasn't access to the article.

However, his article will be targeted at a particular audience. Those not in his target audience might disagree but we'll never know because no-one will supply a precis of the article.

typo correction- Henry

Nenry's family showed such dignity again as they walked out of Downing Street after their meeting with Starmer. Bedenoch has also met with the family and posted on X:

"They have asked that we work across political parties and religions to rebuild trust in the police. That trust has been broken because of what happened, and I agree with them on that.

We must also be prepared to examine, carefully and seriously, religious practices or exemptions that permit the carrying of dangerous weapons in public, and other activities that are not conducive to the public good. We also need to examine where the law needs to change.

Henry’s family do not want anger to tear communities apart. They are a family who have friends across faith and race, and so did Henry. His family want his memory to help bring our society together".

Let's hope all the political parties can work together to rebuild trust in the police and bring society together as the family wish.

Primrose53

Oh surfsup your last sentence did make me laugh! 🤣🤣

Always good to know I’ve put a smile on someone’s face Primrose

It’s true.
People do have agendas and are entrenched in their views and support them adamantly whatever views those are and whatever the subject is. It makes for interesting discussions.

Excellent post, Wyllow.

What occurs it is not hard to find a few ex police or ideologues to decry recent policy.

Needless to say, an opposing g view will be held my others.

However this ‘harking back to better times just doesn’t wash with me. The levels of sexism and racism not just in the police but the fire service too was totally unacceptable and well documented.

Training isnt just about dealing with the public, it’s also a matter of ‘cleaning your own house up’.

Terrible mistakes have always been made, and undoubtedly a major one was the failure to believe in women coming forward with rape complaints as in the race field, incidents like Stephen Laurence and other well documented cases of BAME people not being ‘heard’ or worse.

It’s not desirable to ‘go backwards’: instead, find best ways of going forward.

Primrose53

twaddle

MaizieD

petra

This article written by an ex high ranking officer who resigned from the force because of the doctrine of both political parties.

mol.im/a/15879673

Would you be able to give us some idea of what this officer said, petra? I'm afraid I have no desire at all to subscribe to the Daily Mail in order to read it..

I'm not going to subscribe to the Daily Mail either, but the link allowed me to see that the article is written by Paul Birch, whose name I recognised. He's a former counter-terrorism officer, who now makes his money by writing about "wokeness". I suspect this www.spiked-online.com/2026/06/02/henry-nowaks-death-reveals-a-police-force-corrupted-by-wokeness/ has the same content as the DM article.

He evidently has definite views and is entitled to his opinion, but it is no more than an opinion.

Obviously Paul Birch knows more about it than you or I.

Now Rick Prior, former Chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation has also spoken out in a similar vein. There will be more true accounts given no doubt.

No doubt you will dismiss him too because it doesn’t suit your agenda. 🤔

No, I won't dismiss them. I don't operate like that. I actually try to be objective and draw my own conclusions.

Nevertheless, people such as Paul Birch most certainly do have an agenda, which he pushes in various right-wing media. He's "anti-woke" and somebody who doesn't accept change easily. There are thousands of people like that. Their opinions are always valuable, but unfortunately they sometimes have quite entrenched views.

Anybody who is reasonably articulate and has had a couple of decades of experience in something or other could set themselves up as an "expert". Their sole expertise is their experience, but it doesn't mean that they are good at analysis nor that they are objective and unbiassed.

Thanks Maremia- I appreciate your feedback 💐