Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

This appalling tragedy will, hopefully, result in some thinking, in the police, about how they deal with events in which only one " side" of the story is told by a group of people who are friends/ family of the complainant.
However, comments on how modern policing policies are too " woke " ( whatever that means) ignores the many reports that there is institutional racism and sexism in some parts of the service.
Wayne Couzens was known to behave in a predatory way around women, but none of his colleagues reported this.
Most police officers are good people doing a very difficult job, but not all, and this is not the problem of policy makers.
Not everything wrong in law enforcement is due to " wokeness"

No problem, it's there how you can find out "what can be done".

Wyllow3

I suggest you go to the relevant threads Meandrogrog.
This is the current one.

www.gransnet.com/forums/chat/1358830-Disappearing-contributors-part-2

Thank you.

the matter that strikes me thinking back over the threads is how out side actors - ie from the USA - have tried to intervene in our UK affairs.

That it is very hard indeed to "get right" working within a framework where racism and sexism is understood, for the benefit of the victims of those crimes and Novak is one of the saddest we have come across.

But certainly as a woman who has had help from the police with changed attitudes thanks to this sort of training, and remembering the likes of the Stephen Laurence case, where the murder of a very ordinary and studious young black man was dealt with in a careless and disgraceful manner, it is necessary for our police and other services to understand the issues:

It's a matter of getting it right in practice. And it's not helped by police shortages that impact on other crimes.

Nevertheless whipping up hate for the police as a whole group I feel is seriously counter productive for the well being of our society as a whole.

Seriously, do we want mob rule where we head towards attacks on the rule of law itself in the end:

and those politicians who would attempt to import those ideas (and often take a good deal of money from the likes of Musk)

We should stand against their influence.

I suggest you go to the relevant threads Meandrogrog.
This is the current one.

www.gransnet.com/forums/chat/1358830-Disappearing-contributors-part-2

Maremia

I actually believed, after what happened to a popular Poster, that Threads would be 'different', at least for a while.

What has happened to Allira?

I’m going to start a thread on Sits Stuff so the matter can be discussed outside of this and other threads.

Maremia

Cossy, you haven't offended me, if that helps.

I'm going to briefly depart from the subject matter of this thread in case posters do not know the consequences of what is being done supposedly in support of Alirra

Many of us have and continue to make points on it.

However, do the posters bringing it on to a number of other threads not know that a major point in the guidance laid down for us all, by GNHQ is not to bring the contents of one thread on to another

And that far from doing Alirra a favour in doing so, they are possibly jeopardising the attempt to bring her back

There is even some "taunting the mods" as in a sort of "I'm going to post this like it or not...delete me if you like"

I suggest we make out points with dignity because I feel the danger is just possibly frustrating posters who might consider supporting Alirra .

And to do it on a thread like this, it it really a good idea?

Cossy

I found your post rude, and a little offensive, so please don’t tell me it wasn’t, you don’t know, nor can you tell me, how any post makes me feel!

At no point have I told you how you feel. I have no control over your feelings; Just because you found my post rude doesn’t follow that it was. You’re saying my intention was to offend, it wasn’t so don’t tell me it was please.

Now we have mentions of a banned poster and I have no idea what that’s about - it’s enough to make my head spin. I’m out.

Cossy, you haven't offended me, if that helps.

Cossy

However, having said that, I think it’s to make a very firm point about how most of us feel about this whole sorry banning issue. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

There’s a thread ( part 2) where anyone who wishes can make as firm a point as they want.

However, having said that, I think it’s to make a very firm point about how most of us feel about this whole sorry banning issue. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Tuliptree

Cossy - the only offensive thing imo is the bringing of the Allira cause célèbre into this thread. It’s scattered through many other threads inappropriately and childishly. And now here.

Point taken

Cossy - the only offensive thing imo is the bringing of the Allira cause célèbre into this thread. It’s scattered through many other threads inappropriately and childishly. And now here.

Maremia

I actually believed, after what happened to a popular Poster, that Threads would be 'different', at least for a while.

Apologies if I’ve offended anyone!

I actually believed, after what happened to a popular Poster, that Threads would be 'different', at least for a while.

Yes Oreo, I agree with your most recent post.

“surfsup

Surfups and Primrose Can you not save your snides and outright rudeness for other posts less important and heartbreaking than this one? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Nothing rude about any of my posts. If a poster states I’ve said something I haven’t I will defend my position. You may not like that but that’s not my concern. It’s a shame this thread regarding the dreadful murder of young Henry Nowak and the truly despicable actions of the police has been somehow twisted into a discussion on the murder of a George Floyd but that’s not my doing.

RIP Henry flowers”

I found your post rude, and a little offensive, so please don’t tell me it wasn’t, you don’t know, nor can you tell me, how any post makes me feel!

Surfups and Primrose Can you not save your snides and outright rudeness for other posts less important and heartbreaking than this one? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Nothing rude about any of my posts. If a poster states I’ve said something I haven’t I will defend my position. You may not like that but that’s not my concern. It’s a shame this thread regarding the dreadful murder of young Henry Nowak and the truly despicable actions of the police has been somehow twisted into a discussion on the murder of a George Floyd but that’s not my doing.

RIP Henry

Tuliptree

surfsup

Primrose53

Oh surfsup your last sentence did make me laugh! 🤣🤣

Always good to know I’ve put a smile on someone’s face Primrose

What an unpleasant snide comment from both of you - would that you could both contribute so eruditely and informatively as Lemonjam.

I thought it was really funny too!

Excuse typo’s in my 19:10 post.

Oreo

The only good that may come out of this is new (old) common sense policing.
New and sensible training that ignores skin colour.

Absolutely!

Let’s just stop with the nastiness, accusations and sarcasm and thank our lucky stars we are not face the heartache and grief that Henry’s family are, and who are dealing with it publicly with such dignity, restraint and respects.

Perhaps we can take a leaf out of their book.

The only good that may come out of this is new (old) common sense policing.
New and sensible training that ignores skin colour.