Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

I find it very sad that this particular thread and others, have degenerated.

Cossy -wrong thread

“Tuliptree

Oreo
It’s on page 30 only and isn’t offensive at all.
Its very presence is offensive - what on earth was going on in the poster’s mind to bring A into the thread? And then for some of you to excuse it. And as I need to repeat again, it’s not just about that thread. It’s about the irritating tactics you are using across GN.”

Whilst I do get your point Tuliptree, I don’t think there was any intent to be offensive nor to “use irritating tactics”

You’ve made your point, and set up a good thread containing some extremely good points.

May we now please move on.

Chocolatelovinggran

This appalling tragedy will, hopefully, result in some thinking, in the police, about how they deal with events in which only one " side" of the story is told by a group of people who are friends/ family of the complainant.
However, comments on how modern policing policies are too " woke " ( whatever that means) ignores the many reports that there is institutional racism and sexism in some parts of the service.
Wayne Couzens was known to behave in a predatory way around women, but none of his colleagues reported this.
Most police officers are good people doing a very difficult job, but not all, and this is not the problem of policy makers.
Not everything wrong in law enforcement is due to " wokeness"

👏👏👏👏

Wyllow3

the matter that strikes me thinking back over the threads is how out side actors - ie from the USA - have tried to intervene in our UK affairs.

That it is very hard indeed to "get right" working within a framework where racism and sexism is understood, for the benefit of the victims of those crimes and Novak is one of the saddest we have come across.

But certainly as a woman who has had help from the police with changed attitudes thanks to this sort of training, and remembering the likes of the Stephen Laurence case, where the murder of a very ordinary and studious young black man was dealt with in a careless and disgraceful manner, it is necessary for our police and other services to understand the issues:

It's a matter of getting it right in practice. And it's not helped by police shortages that impact on other crimes.

Nevertheless whipping up hate for the police as a whole group I feel is seriously counter productive for the well being of our society as a whole.

Seriously, do we want mob rule where we head towards attacks on the rule of law itself in the end:

and those politicians who would attempt to import those ideas (and often take a good deal of money from the likes of Musk)

We should stand against their influence.

Well said and I entirely agree

Oreo

It’s on page 30 only and isn’t offensive at all.

Its very presence is offensive - what on earth was going on in the poster’s mind to bring A into the thread? And then for some of you to excuse it. And as I need to repeat again, it’s not just about that thread. It’s about the irritating tactics you are using across GN.

Thanks Oreo

It’s on page 30 only and isn’t offensive at all.

Primrose53

I’ve completely lost the plot now. I can’t even see that anybody brought Allira on to this thread. A quick scan through shows no mention of her.

I sat and trawled through from page 1 - can't see the "offending" post either. Neither can I see the supposed fallout it apparently caused ?

Of all the politicians who spoke about Henry's murder this week I think Kemi Badenoch took some beating. After a wobbly start she is turning into a very good orator with some witty one-liners.

I haven't seen it either.
I haven't looked back very far, though, because i was following the thread up until a couple of days ago

I’ve completely lost the plot now. I can’t even see that anybody brought Allira on to this thread. A quick scan through shows no mention of her.

This appalling tragedy will, hopefully, result in some thinking, in the police, about how they deal with events in which only one " side" of the story is told by a group of people who are friends/ family of the complainant.
However, comments on how modern policing policies are too " woke " ( whatever that means) ignores the many reports that there is institutional racism and sexism in some parts of the service.
Wayne Couzens was known to behave in a predatory way around women, but none of his colleagues reported this.
Most police officers are good people doing a very difficult job, but not all, and this is not the problem of policy makers.
Not everything wrong in law enforcement is due to " wokeness"

No problem, it's there how you can find out "what can be done".

Wyllow3

I suggest you go to the relevant threads Meandrogrog.
This is the current one.

www.gransnet.com/forums/chat/1358830-Disappearing-contributors-part-2

Thank you.

the matter that strikes me thinking back over the threads is how out side actors - ie from the USA - have tried to intervene in our UK affairs.

That it is very hard indeed to "get right" working within a framework where racism and sexism is understood, for the benefit of the victims of those crimes and Novak is one of the saddest we have come across.

But certainly as a woman who has had help from the police with changed attitudes thanks to this sort of training, and remembering the likes of the Stephen Laurence case, where the murder of a very ordinary and studious young black man was dealt with in a careless and disgraceful manner, it is necessary for our police and other services to understand the issues:

It's a matter of getting it right in practice. And it's not helped by police shortages that impact on other crimes.

Nevertheless whipping up hate for the police as a whole group I feel is seriously counter productive for the well being of our society as a whole.

Seriously, do we want mob rule where we head towards attacks on the rule of law itself in the end:

and those politicians who would attempt to import those ideas (and often take a good deal of money from the likes of Musk)

We should stand against their influence.

I suggest you go to the relevant threads Meandrogrog.
This is the current one.

www.gransnet.com/forums/chat/1358830-Disappearing-contributors-part-2

Maremia

I actually believed, after what happened to a popular Poster, that Threads would be 'different', at least for a while.

What has happened to Allira?

I’m going to start a thread on Sits Stuff so the matter can be discussed outside of this and other threads.

Maremia

Cossy, you haven't offended me, if that helps.

I'm going to briefly depart from the subject matter of this thread in case posters do not know the consequences of what is being done supposedly in support of Alirra

Many of us have and continue to make points on it.

However, do the posters bringing it on to a number of other threads not know that a major point in the guidance laid down for us all, by GNHQ is not to bring the contents of one thread on to another

And that far from doing Alirra a favour in doing so, they are possibly jeopardising the attempt to bring her back

There is even some "taunting the mods" as in a sort of "I'm going to post this like it or not...delete me if you like"

I suggest we make out points with dignity because I feel the danger is just possibly frustrating posters who might consider supporting Alirra .

And to do it on a thread like this, it it really a good idea?

Cossy

I found your post rude, and a little offensive, so please don’t tell me it wasn’t, you don’t know, nor can you tell me, how any post makes me feel!

At no point have I told you how you feel. I have no control over your feelings; Just because you found my post rude doesn’t follow that it was. You’re saying my intention was to offend, it wasn’t so don’t tell me it was please.

Now we have mentions of a banned poster and I have no idea what that’s about - it’s enough to make my head spin. I’m out.

Cossy, you haven't offended me, if that helps.

Cossy

However, having said that, I think it’s to make a very firm point about how most of us feel about this whole sorry banning issue. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

There’s a thread ( part 2) where anyone who wishes can make as firm a point as they want.

However, having said that, I think it’s to make a very firm point about how most of us feel about this whole sorry banning issue. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️