Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

Yes MissA he is right and this is what didn't happen soon enough. I felt that they should have checked even if they thought he was playing the victim. At least he would not have had the indignity of hand cuffs.

LemonJam

surfsup- you posted Dr Magier, "analyzed the autopsy report...."

Are you sure that is factually correct? How on earth do you imagine he was he able to get access?

You must stop putting words in my mouth and pay more attention to what is actually posted instead of rushing to respond with inaccuracies.

I never said the Dr had analysed the autopsy report. It’s all there in my post regarding same. Up to you to go back and re read it as I don’t have time.

twaddle

*People push for what suits their narrative.*

Some people do. Some people actively try to be objective.

Indeed!

MissAdventure

I don't hold "the police' in contempt, any more than I do sikhs.
I have no intention whatsosever to take to the streets and protest, let alone riot.

I won't pretend to think that I've lost the ability to even question what the hell went on, though.

Nothing at all wrong with that Miss A, in fact I’d go further and say challenge and questioning anything one feels is wrong is absolutely the right thing to do.

In this particular case, it’s the timing of some media speculation plus the firing up of people to commit violent acts or riots that I’m criticising.

The primary objective of this case must be to ascertain accurate factual reports, to put Henry and his family first and to ensure the action taken by police moving forward is based on seen actual facts rather than immediately believing intel given by someone with brown skin.

We absolutely need to stamp out racism of all kinds, however not the extent where police and other public’s services are too “scared” to question people of any ethnicity.

People push for what suits their narrative.

Some people do. Some people actively try to be objective.

AGAA4

I am the widow of a police officer and know that perpetrators often claim to be victims as the murderer did in this case. The police assumed from the information given to them that Henry Nowak was the attacker and falsely assumed that he was playing the victim card.
I'm not defending what the male officer said but I can see the thought processes. The murderer was a plausible liar and knew he had stabbed Mr Nowak but continued lying as he lay dying. He is totally to blame for the death.

Of course, in fact I've posted a video of an ex chief of the met who has pointed out precisely that, but he also said that a very important part of the role is to reassess the situation, all through the situation, every ten seconds or so, reassess, reassess, reassess .

Galaxy

Well yes but we all think our beliefs and values are right!

I don't! I question them all the time.

ronib

Talking to some young men, I can assure you that Henry Nowak is not forgotten. Farage has articulated the mood of the country whether GNet agrees or not with him. We have hit a new low and young people are furious that an 18 year old died coming back from the pub. Fury compounded by the arresting officers.

I disagree. Farage has not spoken for me or anybody I know.

Well yes but we all think our beliefs and values are right!

Galaxy

Well no one is impartial, we are all influenced by our belief systems, values, etc.

I'm sure that's true, but people can still question their own motivations and ask themselves whether their actions are motivated by beliefs and values, which might be wrong.

Well no one is impartial, we are all influenced by our belief systems, values, etc.

I am the widow of a police officer and know that perpetrators often claim to be victims as the murderer did in this case. The police assumed from the information given to them that Henry Nowak was the attacker and falsely assumed that he was playing the victim card.
I'm not defending what the male officer said but I can see the thought processes. The murderer was a plausible liar and knew he had stabbed Mr Nowak but continued lying as he lay dying. He is totally to blame for the death.

I agree, a lot of the talk hasn't been impartial, on both sides of the coin that is.

MissAdventure

Well, speculation on here has peacefully proven that the police aren't always paragons of virtue (who is?)
If course, agitators who are furthering their own agendas have pounced on this case, but its has encouraged critical, impartial thinking across the board, which is one of the privileges of living in a free speaking country and not a nanny state.

Yes! I agree

There’s no evidence that George Floyd died because of racist beliefs. He was a criminal and was being arrested. The officer knelt on his neck and he died but there was also Fentanyl in his bloodstream which could have contributed to his death. There’s no question his death was politicised and yet, there’s calls for calm over Henry’s murder, which quite possibly was aided by police - he certainly wasn’t helped as he should have been.

I find it strange one death of a criminal is supposedly because of “racist beliefs” but another of an innocent white boy is deemed nothing to do with race or the police’s “racist beliefs”.

People push for what suits their narrative.

Talking to some young men, I can assure you that Henry Nowak is not forgotten. Farage has articulated the mood of the country whether GNet agrees or not with him. We have hit a new low and young people are furious that an 18 year old died coming back from the pub. Fury compounded by the arresting officers.

Thank you,Cossy and Foxie for your well balanced posts.

I think we knew that the police aren't paragons of virtue and there has always been critical, impartial thinking. Nobody needed a murder for that to happen. Unfortunately, much of the "talk" over the last week hasn't been impartial.

Well, speculation on here has peacefully proven that the police aren't always paragons of virtue (who is?)
If course, agitators who are furthering their own agendas have pounced on this case, but its has encouraged critical, impartial thinking across the board, which is one of the privileges of living in a free speaking country and not a nanny state.

Smileless2012

It's good to question MissA and hopefully the enquiry will provide the answers but assuming the worse regarding the police at the scene, helps no one.

I hope the enquiry gives guidance to all police departments going forward.

What shocked me was the body cam footage, and the words of the officer when Henry Nowak told him that he had been stabbed I don’t think so mate …

It's good to question MissA and hopefully the enquiry will provide the answers but assuming the worse regarding the police at the scene, helps no one.

AGAA4

I agree Cossy. It seems that the contempt of the police overrides the brutal murder of Henry Nowak.

I'm not sure I would go that far. However, what it does show, yet again, is that there are groups of people who will pounce on any incident to "prove" their case. OK, so the police isn't perfect and there have plenty of examples of that, but I still believe that the British police is in the main honest and does its best. It's a lot less corrupt that some other police forces. Nevertheless, incidents of mistakes (and a huge mistake was made) don't prove that the whole organisation is bad.

The groups of people who would like to prove that the police is corrupt are adept at publicising their cause. They must have certain journalists and broadcasters on speed dial and in no time at all allegations and myths are half way round the world, with inaccuracies and embellishments to the original story.

I agree with you that Henry Nowak seems to have been forgotten, just as other victims have been forgotten before him.

It seems that the contempt of the police overrides the brutal murder of Henry Nowak yes it does AGA .

Great post Cossy.

I don't hold "the police' in contempt, any more than I do sikhs.
I have no intention whatsosever to take to the streets and protest, let alone riot.

I won't pretend to think that I've lost the ability to even question what the hell went on, though.

I agree Cossy. It seems that the contempt of the police overrides the brutal murder of Henry Nowak.