Starmer’s Speech today.

Primrose53

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

Why are you enjoying this chaos?

twaddle

M0nica

MaizieD

Once a communist always a communist, or rather, once almost a communist always almost a communist.

Are you suggesting that Starmer is/was a communist? That is delusional, MOnica

He was in his youth close to being a fellow traveller, he was dertainly moving that way, but I am sute he was a astute then as he is now and realised that it would be bad for his future political and legal career.

If a few more of his communists characteristics were to come out, I doubt he would have lost so many votes to the Greens.

The command economy, the repression of opposition, once voted into power refusing to go when his time is up. is that what the Greens want?

I heard an interesting item on Radio 4 today. Jim O'Neill making some very good points. How the role of PM has become some sort of popularity contest.

I found the fakeness of the entire thing embarrassing. The standing ovation before he'd began speaking and the constant applause during his 'speech' which was more like a party political broadcast.

His current precarious position reminds me of Thatcher who clung on until she was pushed. Not a very edifying look for Starmer.

Primrose53

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

It's not Starmer who is the problem, it's the team around him.

He needed to change them all but it could be too late now.

I'd still be sorry to see Starmer go. Can't think of anybody who could replace him on the world stage as things are at the moment - war in Ukraine, war in the Middle East, a volatile US President, etc., etc.

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

twaddle

MaizieD

Kandinsky

They say they have to change - but how?
They have to appeal to all the reform voters who took their votes & that’s more or less impossible for them.

From the figures I've seen Reform took most of their votes from the tories, not Labour. Previous Labour voters tended to go to the Lib Dems or Green. Or Nationalist parties in Scotland and Wales.

Labour trued very hard to appeal to potential Reform voters in their first 18 months. It hasn't worked. Why vote Labour when you can vote for the real thing?

Spot on! Thinking he needed to appease Reform voters was Starmer's big mistake. The Tories' collapse is as much responsible as anything else.

So once again the people who should be advising him on which way the wind was blowing weren’t up to the job.
Same old, same old 🤦🏼‍♀️

Kandinsky

MaizieD
Not true.
Labour have lost 1000’s of votes to Reform, particularly up North.

Generally, Labour hasn't lost votes directly to Reform. The Tories have lost votes nearly all to Reform. Labour has lost votes mainly to the Greens and the LibDems and a few to Reform. FPTP has allowed Reform to win seats because they have the biggest number of votes, not because the majority has voted for them.

If the Tories hadn't have collapsed, there would be a very different picture. The Tories would have retained more seats and the non-Labour opposition would be split.

M0nica

MaizieD

Once a communist always a communist, or rather, once almost a communist always almost a communist.

Are you suggesting that Starmer is/was a communist? That is delusional, MOnica

He was in his youth close to being a fellow traveller, he was dertainly moving that way, but I am sute he was a astute then as he is now and realised that it would be bad for his future political and legal career.

If a few more of his communists characteristics were to come out, I doubt he would have lost so many votes to the Greens.

GrannyGravy13

The breathalyser was introduced into the U.K. October 8th 1967 to coincide with The Road Safety Act.

This is when the blood alcohol limit was introduced.

I know, but it didn't put people off driving immediately. I passed my test in 1972 and I remember people didn't really take the limits that seriously. It took a while for people to get over their resentment at what the "Big Brother" state was doing.

MaizieD
Not true.
Labour have lost 1000’s of votes to Reform, particularly up North.

Yes, Barbara Castle was the minister responsible if memory serves me right ? (I was ten years old 😂)

The breathalyser was introduced into the U.K. October 8th 1967 to coincide with The Road Safety Act.

This is when the blood alcohol limit was introduced.

MT62

Yes I forgot about the breathalyser.
When I worked at the golf club, a lot of men would drink & drive.

To Twaddle

Yes I forgot about the breathalyser.
When I worked at the golf club, a lot of men would drink & drive.

MaizieD

^Once a communist always a communist, or rather, once almost a communist always almost a communist.^

Are you suggesting that Starmer is/was a communist? That is delusional, MOnica

He was in his youth close to being a fellow traveller, he was dertainly moving that way, but I am sute he was a astute then as he is now and realised that it would be bad for his future political and legal career.

It is all very well talking about what the Labour party want but we have just had a local elelction disguised as a general election where the electorate made it clear that they are fed up, if not with Labour, certainly with its current incompetent leadership.

I thought we lived in a democracy, and also in a society where people take responsibility for their actions. The chairman of Southern Water because he took responsibility for a disastrous performance over the past year by the company he chaired.

I think it is reasonable to expect the head of the govrnment to act in asimilar manner. Starmer is now a lame duck PM. His time in power is limited and he will always have the knowledge that people want him to go, surrounding him like a miasma,

He will have no credibility on any international stage and can no longer speak with any authroity on behalf of this country.

It has been an unedifying spectacle to see the way he has clung to power by his fingernails, refusing to go although most people want him to. Want a conteptible man he has proved to be.

Exactly Winterwhite. at this time stability is needed and the M.Ps should be standing firm , supporting their leader ,not playing into Farage's hands. What is wrong with them ?As for Andy Burnham, I heard someone on radio saying that there is a recognised way to become an M.P .Burnham should follow that. What makes people think that he would be any good?
I feel it's time to settle down, reflect and work together. Changing leadership didn't do the Tories much good.

Casdon

Well I’m very pleased that Starmer announced the
re- nationalisation of British Steel. It is the only way to save the steel industry in the UK and it’s vital to our future to maintain capacity here rather than relying on other countries, some of which are hostile.

Yes, it's a start.

silverlining48

I thought the smoking ban was a great idea. It was only then that the majority non smoking population could go into a pub without choking on the fumes.
It also encouraged many more people to give up the noxious ludicrously expensive fags. Double bubble !

Me too.

You'd go home from an evening out, clothes and hair stinking of stale smoke even though you didn't smoke yourself.

Going to a pub now is like a breath of fresh air!!
Although I only go to one to eat these days.

MT62

The biggest thing was smoking! Why go & sit in a pub that you can’t smoke in; when you could get cheap drink at the super market & smoke in the comfort off your own living room.
That was the biggest deathknell!
Plus now people prefer to watch Netflix, YouTube & catch up tv with a bottle of plonk & takeaway.

Another death knell for pubs was the breathalyser and people gradually realising that it wasn't a good idea to get into a driving seat when drunk.

My father ran a very busy pub in the late 60s/70s in a semi-rural location. Most of the customers drove home after downing a few pints.

silverlining48

I thought the smoking ban was a great idea. It was only then that the majority non smoking population could go into a pub without choking on the fumes.
It also encouraged many more people to give up the noxious ludicrously expensive fags. Double bubble !

I agree with that.
I suppose back in the day smoke fumes were part & parcel of pub life. Customers said when ‘no smoking’ was brought in all you could smell was bo & furniture polish in the clubs.
I stopped going out as there wasn’t much atmosphere. Disco would be empty & club act ended up singing to chairs as everyone was huddled outside smoking. Infact I know someone who actually took up smoking so that he wasn’t left out.
Maybe I should have started another thread on this 🤣

I thought the smoking ban was a great idea. It was only then that the majority non smoking population could go into a pub without choking on the fumes.
It also encouraged many more people to give up the noxious ludicrously expensive fags. Double bubble !

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Of course we could all wait to hear what in the King's Speech on Wednesday.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-10585/CBP-10585.pdf

A voice of reason. That sounds like a sensible idea.