Anti-semitism in the Media

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Allira

Galaxy

I don't but you know that.

Ignore, it's goading.

No, it's not. It's trying to get to the truth based on evidence.

On Gransnet.
Well perhaps wait for an inquiry?

In the meantime, people were stabbed by this man.
That is what should be foremodt in our minds and concerning us.

Or is that irrelevant?

I have seen the kicking. I haven't seen whatever Tommy Robinson has released. Do you mean one of the men with tasers or the man in greenish shorts who falls over. They all look like they have dark hair to me.
If you think it was a volunteer is that not reassuring for you as it means at least one police didn't kick him.
Those who tackled the London bridge attacker used a long pole, a narwhal tusk!, and a fire extinguisher. And one of those men was a convicted murderer.

Have you ever been in a life threatening situation twaddle? I have been out with armed police on a specific piece of work. I’ve worked closely with them in some very frightening situations. I’ve nothing but gratitude for their calm involvement and capacity for de/escalating explosive situations
I’m out of this -

Iam64

And we wonder why recruitment and retention of police officers is difficult. They run to danger to serve and protect, while the rest of us are running away
Those two young officers were brave. Criticism of them from the safety of a keyboard is imo nauseating

Which two young officers? I'm almost sure the ones you mean aren't Met officers. There's nothing brave about kicking somebody in the head at least five times when that person is lying on the ground having been tasered and incapacitated.

Allira

Galaxy

I don't but you know that.

Ignore, it's goading.

No, it's not. It's trying to get to the truth based on evidence.

Galaxy

It is very hard to see from the BBC video but I think it is the man I am describing who is wearing a kippah. But I can't swear on it. He was very brave as well whoever he may be.

Have you actually seen the video of the kicking? It's not on the BBC video nor the official body cam footage from the Met. The man with the dark hair was the one definitely wearing a kippah. There's also a photo of the one who did the kicking on an interview he did. He's named and it's mentioned that he is a Shomrim volunteer. Other video shows that the attacker was already tasered when he was on the ground and approached by the Shomrim volunteers. The BBC footage is unclear about who actually handcuffed him.

I'm sure the police's knowledge is far superior to mine, which is why they are in the best position to be honest and give a full explanation.

twaddle

Allira

He was tasered while crossing a road and ended up lying on his front.

Oh, I understand now
Did he say "I was just going about my business, crossing the road, minding the traffic, carrying a knife for self-defence, Officer".

They can't have heard him.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

I have not denied he resisted arrest - that is precisely why he was tasered. Got that? Once he was on the ground, he was lying on top of the knife. He was tasered. His muscles wouldn't work. He couldn't hand the knife over.

His muscles wouldn't work. He couldn't hand the knife over
really, you're certain about that? That's so strange because in that case you'd think his hand wouldn't be holding the knife and the police officer on the ground with him would have more easily disarmed and handcuffed him. But, as with your superior knowledge of exactly how explosives behave I'll reluctantly bow to your superior knowledge of the full effects of a taser. Have you ever thought of joining the police so they could benefit from your wisdom?

I'm 100% with the police on this. They had to disable this man whatever way possible to protect the public. They have to run into danger so often and don't need our uninformed judgement.

It is very hard to see from the BBC video but I think it is the man I am describing who is wearing a kippah. But I can't swear on it. He was very brave as well whoever he may be.

It also has shades of anti semitism. Jewish police officers may wear a kippah. Why wouldn’t volunteers rush to support police. Twaddle, I don’t see you making similar criticisms of the other member of the public who bravely ran to help police.

You mean the man I described as assisting the police when you were denying there were any civilians present. He's the one i think is wearing a Kippah. On the BBC video you can see him sort of behind the police officers as they kick the suspect.

This seems to be turning into attacks on our police force by many, so don't call the police if under threat, deal with it yourself.

The body cam was either edited or clipped and doesn't show the whole picture. There are other videos, including (ironically) one that Tommy Robinson has published.

Galaxy

I still don't know what you mean. Are you saying the met police put out a statement defending their officers, released the body cam, and yet it wasn't their officers. Why would they do that.

I don't know. I'm absolutely certain that not all the officers were Met. One of them was wearing a kippah and another appears in a BBC photo and is named as a Shomrim volunteer. The videos are quite clear. The Jewish media is claiming that it was Shomrim who first detained him (contrary to the Met report).

MartavTaurus

The critics are often the ones who think they know it all, or are always right.
There are people who like to analyse every video with police involvement - of protesters, football fans, attackers, etc - and then make their own sketchy conclusions, which after investigations turn out to be incorrect on most occasions! No one knows what happened unless they were there, or unless they are privy to confidential knowledge discussed at Cobra meetings! Which they are not!
It's quite absurd that they think they know everything.

You don't have to have been there to see videos and want some explanation.

Iam64

There’s a level of suspicion and mistrust. Yes we know there have been rogue officers but the majority join to serve and protect. They need our suppport and respectb

That is precisely what I do! And that's why questions here need answering. The man was kicked in the head at least five times while tasered and lying on his front. It's not clear whether it was a Met officer or a Shomrim volunteer. At the moment, it looks suspiciously as though there's some kind of cover up. If it's all legit (which it probably is), some answers and honesty are needed.

Iam64

There’s a level of suspicion and mistrust. Yes we know there have been rogue officers but the majority join to serve and protect. They need our suppport and respectb

Well said 👏👏👏

It’s shame that the media seldom highlight all the good things they do…

There’s a level of suspicion and mistrust. Yes we know there have been rogue officers but the majority join to serve and protect. They need our suppport and respectb

I still don't know what you mean. Are you saying the met police put out a statement defending their officers, released the body cam, and yet it wasn't their officers. Why would they do that.

The critics are often the ones who think they know it all, or are always right.
There are people who like to analyse every video with police involvement - of protesters, football fans, attackers, etc - and then make their own sketchy conclusions, which after investigations turn out to be incorrect on most occasions! No one knows what happened unless they were there, or unless they are privy to confidential knowledge discussed at Cobra meetings! Which they are not!
It's quite absurd that they think they know everything.

Iam64 and AGAA4, I'm not criticising the police, but the evidence of the video needs explaining because it does actually look damning. I've been at pains to say that I know short snippets don't tell the whole picture. I've also questioned whether the officers doing the kicking were Shomrim or Met. The main one looks very much like a Shomrim volunteer from a photo on the BBC. The timeline and accounts given by Sir Mark Rowley and various media sources don't match with the published video sources. Unless the questions are answered, they will continue to be used against the police. I have a lot of respect for the police.

Agree Iam

It seems to always be condemn the police and not the perpetrator. I agree Iam64 it is nauseating. my DH was a young constable he was confronted by a man wielding a knife on his beat. In those days all he had was a whistle and a truncheon.
Luckily he was able to talk him down and summon help but I was very glad I didn't know about it at the time. He said he was scared but couldn't let the man go.
I hope the critics don't ever find themselves in a situation like the ones the police have to deal with so often.

And we wonder why recruitment and retention of police officers is difficult. They run to danger to serve and protect, while the rest of us are running away
Those two young officers were brave. Criticism of them from the safety of a keyboard is imo nauseating