Another appalling attack

Oreo

Wyllow3

Well in the area I mentioned, I had to pull into a small side road for a desperate wee.

But invisible from the road, were large UK and England flags, and a written statement on the gate of the property extolling Reform and all its values and ill thought out remarks about anyone who didn't agree.

Shoulda taken a quick photo snap, but them someone might have come out and accused me of emergency wee-ing on the road outside their property 🤣

You peed on someone’s property in a street! You do know that’s against the law as well as being pretty horrible.

I don't think the road is any individual's property.

Iam64

Good point Oreo, same here, lots of flags not torn and grubby
It worries me that so many negative assumptions are easily made about the England and union flags. Scotland was actively involved in the empire, in slavery yet their flag is ok. Palestine flags good union or star David flags bad

But England isn't Scotland. The George Cross doesn't mean the same to the English as the Saltire does to the Scots.

Other countries and their flags are irrelevant. Anybody with any interest in current affairs knows what the glut of Union Jacks and George Crosses mean to the people who hung them. It didn't take much delving on social media to find invitations to join groups to hang them. They made their values and intentions very clear. People are being naive or deliberately turning a blind eye, if they ignore what's behind them. Third option, they actually agree with the sentiments.

sundowngirl

A tenant in Southwark, received a letter from the council saying the Union flag that he had on his balcony, must be removed as it was upsetting his neighbours.
However it seem to be ok for the councils to fly the Palestinian flag.
Why? As previously mentioned, we should be proud of our flag. Couldn't see this happening in America where every other house has the stars and stripes flying, and in their schools they pledge allegiance to their flag daily.

We don't live in America and flags symbolise something different.

Oreo

Left wing council I bet sundowngirl 😉

How did you guess

Left wing council I bet sundowngirl 😉

A tenant in Southwark, received a letter from the council saying the Union flag that he had on his balcony, must be removed as it was upsetting his neighbours.
However it seem to be ok for the councils to fly the Palestinian flag.
Why? As previously mentioned, we should be proud of our flag. Couldn't see this happening in America where every other house has the stars and stripes flying, and in their schools they pledge allegiance to their flag daily.

Good point Oreo, same here, lots of flags not torn and grubby
It worries me that so many negative assumptions are easily made about the England and union flags. Scotland was actively involved in the empire, in slavery yet their flag is ok. Palestine flags good union or star David flags bad

It seems that if you don’t like the flag of England or the Union flag flown then they are always ‘ tattered rags’.
All the flags I see are perfectly fine, flags only hang limply after rain.

Wyllow3

Well in the area I mentioned, I had to pull into a small side road for a desperate wee.

But invisible from the road, were large UK and England flags, and a written statement on the gate of the property extolling Reform and all its values and ill thought out remarks about anyone who didn't agree.

Shoulda taken a quick photo snap, but them someone might have come out and accused me of emergency wee-ing on the road outside their property 🤣

You peed on someone’s property in a street! You do know that’s against the law as well as being pretty horrible.

No I don't care if they are made in China either.

Galaxy

Are the pride flags and the Palestinian flags not made in China?

I've no idea? And I don't care. This is becoming ridiculous.

Are the pride flags and the Palestinian flags not made in China?

I think we are so far away from understanding what each other is saying Galaxy, things we don't think we've actually said, its better left.

SueDonim

The flags hung along the lamp posts where one of my AC live were put there by groups from another nearby town, not by locals. My AC and a couple of neighbours acquired a ladder and took down the ones near their properties. I didn’t notice a single flag in the area on my most recent visit.

Well done.A lot of the flags are made in China.

I'm not sure who are the " usual apologists" or what the Spice Girls have to do with anything.

I found your post insulting Wyllow, why are you allowed to insult and I am not. I simply repeated your argument back to you. I find the constant 'led by the far right' deeply unpleasant. I am.not sure how 'who don't mix with anything but white people plus take outs' could be seen as anything other than mocking.

I'm rather too earnest Galaxy to spot sarcasm and don't like it anyway - why go out of your way to insult, wound, and mock another gransnetter? Just make your point?

It is interesting that many of the flags that I describe are now tattered:

And no one has replaced them

Perhaps the new council has not delivered on the high faluting promises, and not only realised that most of its money is going into social care: some inexperienced councillors "cant deliver"as they don't know really how things get done in complex long standing decision making, potholes versus Nan getting the care she needs,

that £££ have not been released from budgets for initiatives for disadvantaged disabled groups or individuals who form the greatest number of people assisted by "special measures" support for disadvantaged or under represented groupsattempting to enter the workplace.

SueDonim

The flags hung along the lamp posts where one of my AC live were put there by groups from another nearby town, not by locals. My AC and a couple of neighbours acquired a ladder and took down the ones near their properties. I didn’t notice a single flag in the area on my most recent visit.

There aren't/weren't any flags in my area either. A couple of mini roundabouts had crosses daubed on them, but locals washed them off quite quickly without waiting for action from the council.

It was sarcasm.

I am doing what you did Wyllow about the people in those communities.

Rosie51

twaddle your words were the torn and dirty rags which appeared overnight on lamp posts. That clearly indicates they were torn and dirty as soon as they appeared. If you meant something different perhaps you should have said it. sigh

Sigh

Allira

Sorry, went down a rabbit hole.

Back to the point of the thread.
The pro-Palestinian marches are extremely well-organised and seem to be well established now but should we be scrutinising them more carefully? I'm not saying they should stop altogether but monitored?

Should a sector of our society, peaceful people who threaten no-one, be made to feel so intimidated by others?

No, they shouldn't feel intimidated. Nobody should feel intimidated when walking down a street.

Yes, the marches do need some scrutinising.

Jonathan Freedland (in The Guardian) suggests that there should be some kind of demonstration against anti-semitism:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/01/antisemitism-racism-jews-britain

twaddle your words were the torn and dirty rags which appeared overnight on lamp posts. That clearly indicates they were torn and dirty as soon as they appeared. If you meant something different perhaps you should have said it. sigh

Galaxy in my working life I was a Community Support Worker in areas such as described in Greater Manchester, supporting self help initiatives, encouragement, how to get apply for and get resources, a lot of love and humour as well as conflict resolution. I ran groups for single mums, Mental Health type groups for those addicted to tranquillisers, lunch clubs for the isolated elderly people.

Before you start criticising me with assumptions that are not in fact realistic you could perhaps instead ask, "have you actually encountered" people from these backgrounds?

The flags hung along the lamp posts where one of my AC live were put there by groups from another nearby town, not by locals. My AC and a couple of neighbours acquired a ladder and took down the ones near their properties. I didn’t notice a single flag in the area on my most recent visit.