Another appalling attack

twaddle

love0c

Wyllow3 'understand the context'???? it is like you are giving justification!!!!???? I am sickened by your comment!

Understanding the context would mean not making claims such as the conflict starting with the Hamas attack, which is just ludicrous. Understanding the context does not mean justifying what happened on 7 October.

Explaining and justifying are not the same thing.

True; it’s wrong to ‘justify’ the attacks but not wrong to correct people who state that the conflict started with the Hamas attack.

nanna8

So much about the so called far right but the far left are much more numerous, dangerous and aggressive.

Where? Not in the UK they’re not. Can you name even one dangerous and aggressive far left group please?

Rosie I understand your point, but realistically how many older women would be well-advised to ‘stand up to’ the likes of Britain First (or any of the groups of thugs marching under the England flag)? Not being foolhardy doesn’t signify a lack of backbone, but the presence of common sense, IMO.

Allira

MartavTaurus

twaddle

I had never seen either Palestinian flags nor Union Jacks flying in public until a couple of months ago. I had the misfortune to have to visit a town with dirty, torn Union Jacks flying from nearly all the town centre lamp posts. They looked awful. Not only that, but I knew very well what they represented to the people who had hung them and I felt intimidated to be in such a place. I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.

I felt intimidated to be in such a place
And do you not think that Jewish people might also feel intimidated in areas with Palestinian flags flying on lamp posts and walls?

I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.
Perhaps you aren't aware that the streets of Tower Hamlets made newspaper headlines because so many lamp posts and walls in the borough had Palestinian flags put up on them. It's a multi cultural area I know very well from working there, and the Council was forced to remove the Palestinian flags. If we want peace and harmony in the community, then everyone has to play a part and take responsibility. There is no room for intimidation or provocation.

If we want peace and harmony in the community, then everyone has to play a part and take responsibility. There is no room for intimidation or provocation.

Well said, MartavTaurus.
I agree.

However, flying the national flag of the country is a different matter altogether. Nothing to be ashamed of although some people seem to think so.

I have every right to admit that I'm intimidated by Union Jacks or George Crosses draped on lamp posts or on motorway bridges because I know full well the signal behind them.

I have absolutely no problem with the flag in itself when used to celebrate a special occasion, at international sports matches or as part of "Cool Britannia" marketing, as seen in almost every London souvenir shop or at remembrance ceremonies, etc. We all know what they mean.

We all know what the flags mean when people go on to social media and announce they're going to such and such a place to plaster it with flags to show foreigners they're not welcome (and worse) - and if you don't believe me, just spend a few minutes looking. Those people who deny that's the reasoning behind them really need to visit that famous optician and/or give their heads a big wobble!

nanna8

So much about the so called far right but the far left are much more numerous, dangerous and aggressive.

Where?

What evidence do you have for that claim?

So much about the so called far right but the far left are much more numerous, dangerous and aggressive.

Presumably Hamas fly the Palestinian flag, so if you don't object to that does it mean you fully endorse Hamas and their disgusting practices?

So if Tommy Robinson followers start draping themselves in any other flags, be that Pride, Trans, Scottish or indeed Palestinian, that will render those flags inelibigible to be displayed?
You do realise you are conceding absolute power to him to determine which flags may or may not be displayed?
Perhaps if others showed a bit of backbone and reclaimed their flags this capitulation could be avoided?

another report and images

www.thenewworld.co.uk/james-ball-tommy-robinsons-march-was-a-drunken-coked-up-mess/

look at and listen to this video from the far right demo in London 2025

www.instagram.com/reel/DOiufyOAosw/

I do think that our flag can be used in order to intimidate or promote a particular view, whatever country it is, and we are experiencing it. We keep going round in circles but it is currently be used to push a far right agenda -

its been going on a long time,

Tommy Robinson and his supporters a long time ago, as well as during the Southport riots, wrapped themselves in England flags to claim "ownership". Same with far right youth right now in Germany.

No easy answers as what to do, but at least let's accept it happens.

MartavTaurus

twaddle

I had never seen either Palestinian flags nor Union Jacks flying in public until a couple of months ago. I had the misfortune to have to visit a town with dirty, torn Union Jacks flying from nearly all the town centre lamp posts. They looked awful. Not only that, but I knew very well what they represented to the people who had hung them and I felt intimidated to be in such a place. I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.

I felt intimidated to be in such a place
And do you not think that Jewish people might also feel intimidated in areas with Palestinian flags flying on lamp posts and walls?

I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.
Perhaps you aren't aware that the streets of Tower Hamlets made newspaper headlines because so many lamp posts and walls in the borough had Palestinian flags put up on them. It's a multi cultural area I know very well from working there, and the Council was forced to remove the Palestinian flags. If we want peace and harmony in the community, then everyone has to play a part and take responsibility. There is no room for intimidation or provocation.

If we want peace and harmony in the community, then everyone has to play a part and take responsibility. There is no room for intimidation or provocation.

Well said, MartavTaurus.
I agree.

However, flying the national flag of the country is a different matter altogether. Nothing to be ashamed of although some people seem to think so.

Is that because you don't know how to use them?
It's quite simple.

No, it is the significance which you believe national flags hold which is the problem, not the actual significance of the flags themselves.

MartavTaurus

twaddle

I had never seen either Palestinian flags nor Union Jacks flying in public until a couple of months ago. I had the misfortune to have to visit a town with dirty, torn Union Jacks flying from nearly all the town centre lamp posts. They looked awful. Not only that, but I knew very well what they represented to the people who had hung them and I felt intimidated to be in such a place. I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.

I felt intimidated to be in such a place
And do you not think that Jewish people might also feel intimidated in areas with Palestinian flags flying on lamp posts and walls?

I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.
Perhaps you aren't aware that the streets of Tower Hamlets made newspaper headlines because so many lamp posts and walls in the borough had Palestinian flags put up on them. It's a multi cultural area I know very well from working there, and the Council was forced to remove the Palestinian flags. If we want peace and harmony in the community, then everyone has to play a part and take responsibility. There is no room for intimidation or provocation.

To answer your question - yes, probably. I think they should be taken down.

Any further issues?

I think you're being a tad naive about the significance of national flags. They don't even mean the same thing in different circumstances.

I have no idea what those little letters mean nor how to create them. When I've seen them before, I always thought they were a bit silly.

twaddle

sundowngirl

A tenant in Southwark, received a letter from the council saying the Union flag that he had on his balcony, must be removed as it was upsetting his neighbours.
However it seem to be ok for the councils to fly the Palestinian flag.
Why? As previously mentioned, we should be proud of our flag. Couldn't see this happening in America where every other house has the stars and stripes flying, and in their schools they pledge allegiance to their flag daily.

We don't live in America and flags symbolise something different.

We don't live in America and flags symbolise something different.

What, exactly? 🤔

A flag is a national symbol.
It means nothing different. Signifies and identifies a country.

Does this 🇨🇵 symbolise something different to this 🇬🇧?
Or this 🇦🇺? Or this 🇺🇲 Or 🇮🇱
🇪🇭 ?
Really?

What is wrong with this exactly? 🇬🇧

Here's an example of Palestinian flags I mentioned above.

twaddle

I had never seen either Palestinian flags nor Union Jacks flying in public until a couple of months ago. I had the misfortune to have to visit a town with dirty, torn Union Jacks flying from nearly all the town centre lamp posts. They looked awful. Not only that, but I knew very well what they represented to the people who had hung them and I felt intimidated to be in such a place. I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.

I felt intimidated to be in such a place
And do you not think that Jewish people might also feel intimidated in areas with Palestinian flags flying on lamp posts and walls?

I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.
Perhaps you aren't aware that the streets of Tower Hamlets made newspaper headlines because so many lamp posts and walls in the borough had Palestinian flags put up on them. It's a multi cultural area I know very well from working there, and the Council was forced to remove the Palestinian flags. If we want peace and harmony in the community, then everyone has to play a part and take responsibility. There is no room for intimidation or provocation.

twaddle

Iam64

Good point Oreo, same here, lots of flags not torn and grubby
It worries me that so many negative assumptions are easily made about the England and union flags. Scotland was actively involved in the empire, in slavery yet their flag is ok. Palestine flags good union or star David flags bad

But England isn't Scotland. The George Cross doesn't mean the same to the English as the Saltire does to the Scots.

Other countries and their flags are irrelevant. Anybody with any interest in current affairs knows what the glut of Union Jacks and George Crosses mean to the people who hung them. It didn't take much delving on social media to find invitations to join groups to hang them. They made their values and intentions very clear. People are being naive or deliberately turning a blind eye, if they ignore what's behind them. Third option, they actually agree with the sentiments.

I presume, from what you post, that you are not English, nor, most probably British?

Of course, if not (and I have several relatives who are not) you are entitled to a viewpoint but perhaos do not have the same insight into what constitutes "Britishness".

twaddle

Iam64

Good point Oreo, same here, lots of flags not torn and grubby
It worries me that so many negative assumptions are easily made about the England and union flags. Scotland was actively involved in the empire, in slavery yet their flag is ok. Palestine flags good union or star David flags bad

But England isn't Scotland. The George Cross doesn't mean the same to the English as the Saltire does to the Scots.

Other countries and their flags are irrelevant. Anybody with any interest in current affairs knows what the glut of Union Jacks and George Crosses mean to the people who hung them. It didn't take much delving on social media to find invitations to join groups to hang them. They made their values and intentions very clear. People are being naive or deliberately turning a blind eye, if they ignore what's behind them. Third option, they actually agree with the sentiments.

But England isn't Scotland. The George Cross doesn't mean the same to the English as the Saltire does to the Scots.

I presume you are Scottish!
😁

If I was a “flag flyer”, which I’m not, I’ve have no issue in flying the union or English flag.

I’m not, so I don’t, what’s more in my local area there’s a ton of tatty flags attached to lamppost after lamppost, they are ripped and half way up and dirty.

Someone I know regularly removes them.

Omg! What on earth do you think people do if they’re absolutely desperate for a wee? Dogs and cats, and foxes and badgers etc etc wee in the street all the time!

Please do get a grip!

twaddle, who made you the absolute expert on flags. Please explain in what way you conclude the Saltaire doesn’t mean the same to Scots as the Georges does to the English

Or are you concluding that your research confirms you know all about the sentiments , the belief systems behind every single flag. Ie if it’s union or St George’s it’s bad - a thing else is fine.

The George Cross doesn't mean the same to the English as the Saltire does to the Scots. says who? Are you the absolute authority on "the English" every single person?

Other countries and their flags are irrelevant. exactly so and therefore shouldn't be flown in this country if we're not to fly the Union flag or the English one. It's only by taking pride in our flags that they will be reclaimed from those who would misappropriate them to use in an unwelcome way.

Mandelson was fined £300 for urinating. A disgusting habit .

A small road is still part of the public highway, even if it does give access to a property which displayed:
a written statement on the gate of the property extolling Reform and all its values and ill thought out remarks about anyone who didn't agree.

For me the Palestinian flag in this country indicates hatred of Jews, and also represents a country that oppress gay people and women. To me the pride flag represents undiluted misogyny. You don't have to look far on social media to see the sentiments behind them, people are either being naive or agree with the sentiments.