Another appalling attack

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

For goodness' sake, no Jews in the UK are responsible for what is happening in the West Bank, this is a false equivalence. Anyone who thinks venting their antisemitism on Jews in this country for what is happening in another country is just evil. I wonder what the response would be to any other ethnicity being openly targeted because people were enraged by the actions of that ethnicity elsewhere in the world?

GrannyGravy13

Why should Jewish people move away from friends, schools and workplaces due to terrorists?

Why should anybody be forced out of their home and neighbourhood?
Driven out by fear and intimidation.

Aveline

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

I agree, with the reservation that some of the anti-semitism rearing its head now is "Tommy Robinson" type anti-semitism that has always been under the surface in a minority; & sees the criticisms of Israel as an excuse to rear its ugly head.

Could not the Jewish council help to clarify that Jewish people in Britain are not responsible for, nor neccessarily sympathetic to, the actions of the Israeli government by going public with a statement to this effect?

GrannyGravy13

Why should Jewish people move away from friends, schools and workplaces due to terrorists?

They shouldn’t - of course not.

But would you stay in a high risk area if you had children?

rosie51 of course it is a disgraceful decision to have to make but I would do anything to protect my children.

Why should Jewish people move away from friends, schools and workplaces due to terrorists?

Ok I will bite. People who play this game are going to get a shock if I know anything about this country. So if that's the choice put before us I stand with the Jewish community.

My son lives very close to Golders Green. The former MP for the area, Mike Freer, felt forced to resign as he and his partner were targets of hate mail and threats.

He is not Jewish, but supported the Jewish community wholeheartedly. He was an excellent constituency MP. He's also gay.

Make of that what you will.

Hitler blamed the Jews for the outcome of WW1. The appalling and barbaric treatment of the Jewish community prior to WWII by the Nazis is a chilling reminder of the extents ignorant bigots and racists will go to in order to satisfy their twisted minds. Let alone their treatment during the conflict.

It's as if history is repeating itself. And nothing has been learnt.

I agree that the pro Palestine demonstrations must be connected to growing anti- Jewish behaviour. British Jews have contributed so much to this country and always been peaceful, there’s no other reason why anyone would target them now.

Imagine how Palestinians in the West Bank feel. They are constantly under attack. This is what enrages attackers in Jewish communities here. It shouldn't but it does. It's a two way thing.

Obviously that is my interpretation of the law! , but from what I can see they warned him a number of times and he refused to drop the weapon.
Anyway I shouldn't get dragged into that aspect. It is not what us important, that this happens to Jewish people on our streets is shameful.

Cossy

ronib

Utter condemnation is having zero effect.

There’s not much else you and I can do?

Maybe we can’t do anything personally but the Government could ban the weekly demonstrations for Palestine which seem to incite the crowd and increases the hatred toward Jews.

If they had been armed police they would have had every right to shoot him.

sixandahalf

GrannyGravy13

I can remember posting many months ago that our Jewish friends and their family no longer felt safe here in the UK.

I was told by several posters that they were overreacting…

I don't recall anybody saying that.

A lot of people from many different groups are apprehensive right now.

Well I certainly remember those comments.

WWM2 says in her post that she would think of moving out of an area with a high Jewish community if she was Jewish. That's her honest response but isn't it absolutely disgraceful to even think of that as a solution? I don't mean you're disgraceful WWM2, but that moving away to a less 'Jewish area' being a solution some will feel compelled to take is disgraceful.

The leader of the Green Party, Zack Polanski, a Jew himself but not religious or practising, came in for criticism having suggested that it could be a 'perception of danger' amongst Jews and not a real one. Let him tell that to the two men stabbed today. The police are treating it as a terrorist incident, they don't do that lightly, but of course antisemitics will try to play it down and reduce the seriousness.

Those of us with Jewish family and friends see their fear and concern, it is not imagined.

The police officers were unarmed. They did not know if he had a gun or bomb, he concealed his hand apparently. They were brave to tackle him in my view.

They should have just asked him nicely.

Fradders

Glad they caught him,but having seen the video of the arrest,it is utterly disgraceful.Two policeman repeatedly kicking the suspect in the head!…….this is when he was on the ground having already been tasered!Lucky he is still alive,they were really kicking him hard.Glad it is on video though.

Are you being serious?
He was still armed and refusing to drop the knife.

Glad they caught him,but having seen the video of the arrest,it is utterly disgraceful.Two policeman repeatedly kicking the suspect in the head!…….this is when he was on the ground having already been tasered!Lucky he is still alive,they were really kicking him hard.Glad it is on video though.

I have said on several previous threads that what is happening in the UK is symptomatic of what is happening more widely in Europe too.

AI Overview
Antisemitic incidents in Europe have surged dramatically since the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack on Israel, with reports indicating a massive increase in violence, vandalism, and online hate. Data shows incidents rising by 1,000% in France and over 300% in Austria, with 96% of European Jews reporting encounters with antisemitic sentiment, according to the Fundamental Rights Agency (FRA).
Program on Extremism
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Key findings regarding the surge in antisemitism include:

Unprecedented Spikes: Since October 7, 2023, incidents have soared across Europe, including a 320% rise in Germany.

Regional Trends: In the first half of 2024, the UK saw a record high with a 158% increase in threats and a 465% rise in university-related incidents.

Physical and Digital Attacks: Incidents range from harassment and intimidation to graffiti, arson, and direct physical attacks.

Root Causes: The rise is heavily linked to the Israel-Hamas conflict, with incidents often intensifying during escalations in the Middle East.

Impact on Community: More than 96% of Jews in the EU report experiencing antisemitism in their daily lives, according to reports from the EU Fundamental Rights Agency.

Government Action: European governments have implemented enhanced security for Jewish sites, and in Germany, the phrase "from the river to the sea" is now legally classified as a criminal offense.

Program on Extremism
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The European Commission has described the spike as "reminiscent of some of the darkest times in history," urging action against online hate.
www.vox.com
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GrannyGravy13

I can remember posting many months ago that our Jewish friends and their family no longer felt safe here in the UK.

I was told by several posters that they were overreacting…

I don't recall anybody saying that.

A lot of people from many different groups are apprehensive right now.

It must be so worrying for people particularly those with children I think.

I can understand the reasoning behind moving.

I would definitely move out of an area if I was Jewish and it had a high concentration of Jewish folk.

Too easy for terrorists to identify a group and cause mayhem. Not so easy if as a Jewish person I spread myself into the local community, although if I am a practicing Jew the synagogue must be a risk.

DH has just said that the person arrested has mental health issues?

So many of these dreadful acts are carried out by people who are seriously ill. It does need addressing.

fancythat

GrannyGravy13

I can remember posting many months ago that our Jewish friends and their family no longer felt safe here in the UK.

I was told by several posters that they were overreacting…

Cant see how they could say it now.

And no one has on this particular thread.

Yes, they did at the time. And some accused a couple of Jewish posters on here of being hysterical and worked up.
To be fair, I think of late we have a far more understanding readership of the problem on here.
Or is it because antisemitism is now blatantly staring everyone in the face and can no longer be played down?
Personally I knew it was always there.

GrannyGravy13

I can remember posting many months ago that our Jewish friends and their family no longer felt safe here in the UK.

I was told by several posters that they were overreacting…

Cant see how they could say it now.

And no one has on this particular thread.

The suspect has been charged. The truth behind it I hope will come out and lessons learned.

I agree it must be frightening for the community.

Any stabbing like this is wrong, regardless of who you are. People should be allowed to go about their business without this happening to them.

I can remember posting many months ago that our Jewish friends and their family no longer felt safe here in the UK.

I was told by several posters that they were overreacting…