Another appalling attack

Keir Starmer is being heckled in Golders Green at present.

Forgive the way that specifically came out in my posts 🥴

i would definitely move move out of an area if I was Jewish and it had a high concentration of Jewish folk
I read that as a suggestion to the awful situation, hence my
post.

Oreo

He was specific ally targeting Jews, not just random attacks, he knew exactly what he was doing.So MH apart, it has to be called terror related offences.

Exactly, a targeted attack.
He made the journey from South London, probably 40 minutes, to a well known Jewish area in North London.
He didn't exactly walk out of his front door and randomly stab a few people in his street.
Mental health issues or not, I would say he planned it and knew exactly what he was doing

Polanski is Jewish when it suits him TerriBull 😉

He was specific ally targeting Jews, not just random attacks, he knew exactly what he was doing.So MH apart, it has to be called terror related offences.

Whitewavemark2

It must be so worrying for people particularly those with children I think.

I can understand the reasoning behind moving.

I would definitely move out of an area if I was Jewish and it had a high concentration of Jewish folk.

Too easy for terrorists to identify a group and cause mayhem. Not so easy if as a Jewish person I spread myself into the local community, although if I am a practicing Jew the synagogue must be a risk.

DH has just said that the person arrested has mental health issues?

So many of these dreadful acts are carried out by people who are seriously ill. It does need addressing.

I wasn’t aware of this latest attack because of me avoiding the news, but what I heard yesterday was that the man was mentally ill. So surely it is, yet again, a failing of social services more than something purely anti semitic? (apologies for my lack of knowledge of the case but I’m really having to not watch any news as much as possible as it’s all either annoying (Trump) or distressing).

It seems that Zac Polanski, like the poster up thread, is rather concerned as to how the police were treating the assailant. A man who randomly stabbed two innocent people with an intent to kill Jews. How strange, unlike his other pronouncement, the Jewish people of Golders Green weren't imagining hostilities but actually experiencing them, rather like they have done before, in particular the synagogue one where two of the congregation were murdered. . So it seems their perceptions in what transpired were bang on! unlike Mr Polanski's which appear rather cynical and not quite authentic. How strange!, being Jewish himself, and with a familial history of persecution he can't see what's right under his nose. Could that be anything to do with the demographic he is trying to appeal to, the actual "green" thing far less resonant than the other issues his party has now aligned themselves with.

Well good to know where his sympathies lie, I'm sure his stance will win over the support of all the racists who think it's a good idea to intimidate our own Jewish population into oblivion and then tell them that's just a perception on their parts when the odd stabbing, fire bombing and random murders take place, thus repeating the persecution they have experienced throughout history, because as always, whatever evils are being carried out around the world, all roads lead back to the Jews

Galaxy

It is odd when these mental health episodes target Jews rather than I don't know Hindus or catholics, it seems to be a very specific type of 'mental health'.

They don't. The Southport girls and the students and grandfather in Nottingham weren't Jewish.

It was in response to Avelines post doodledog about two way streets and 'understanding' the anger of the attackers. I mean putting aside the anti semitism of that for a moment, people will in my view be surprised at who people 'choose' in that debate. The progressives on their marches very rarely understand that their views aren't reflective of the majority.

Allira

^DH has just said that the person arrested has mental health issues?^

Of course he must have! 🤔
It always is.

Or could it be that he is just plain evil and full of hatred?

...but of course, MH, a catch all answer to this type of incident, a perfect excuse of course, because there will be an almost unconscious intent on the part of assailant driving them along, somehow absolving him for his actions, whilst simultaneously transferring some sympathy away from the victims to the aggressor himself. It's always Mental Health! Plain evil is never a consideration.

DH has just said that the person arrested has mental health issues?

Of course he must have! 🤔
It always is.

Or could it be that he is just plain evil and full of hatred?

Whitewavemark2

It must be so worrying for people particularly those with children I think.

I can understand the reasoning behind moving.

I would definitely move out of an area if I was Jewish and it had a high concentration of Jewish folk.

Too easy for terrorists to identify a group and cause mayhem. Not so easy if as a Jewish person I spread myself into the local community, although if I am a practicing Jew the synagogue must be a risk.

DH has just said that the person arrested has mental health issues?

So many of these dreadful acts are carried out by people who are seriously ill. It does need addressing.

I would definitely move out of an area if I was Jewish and it had a high concentration of Jewish folk.

I really don't see why Jewish people should have to move away from friends, family, support groups, for their own safety in the United Kingdom in the 21st century.

That is quite an astonishing suggestion and suggestive of what has happened over centuries of persecution of Jewish people who have had to flee their homes because their lives were in danger to seek sanctuary elsewhere.

This is one of the countries where they sought sanctuary and, sadly, it is no longer safe.

Galaxy

Ok I will bite. People who play this game are going to get a shock if I know anything about this country. So if that's the choice put before us I stand with the Jewish community.

Sorry, but I don't understand this post. Which game are (which) people playing, and why will they get a shock - ie what is likely to happen? And what do you know about the UK that you're not saying? Also, what is the choice put before us?

This government needs to put aside all their personal ideals and projects and start putting things right in this country. Their first duty is to the people of Great Britain, not to the EU, globalisation or any other idealism.

So absolutely right, Mum2three

The perpetrator arrived in this country as a child from Somalia. He has British Citizenship.

What a mess this country is in! If only more politicians understood human nature. By allowing all these pro-Palestine marches they are actively encouraging anti-Jewish feeling. It goes beyond what is happening in Israel.
This government needs to put aside all their personal ideals and projects and start putting things right in this country. Their first duty is to the people of Great Britain, not to the EU, globalisation or any other idealism.

Has anybody seen anything further about the other attack that morning which was thought to be allegedly by the same perpetrator? I saw it reported immediately after the Golders Green attack, but nothing since.

Jewish people should not have to change their lifestyle or be hounded out of their homes. Haven't they had to do that for centuries.
Society needs to change. I agree with Grantanow about education starting in the nursery.
This can never be an easy fix but we have to try. It's intolerable that this hatred leading to violence is happening in this century.

Grantanow

Short term measures can be taken (banning anti-Semitic marches, deporting hate preachers, more security, etc.,) though they won't guarantee total safety.

Long term education has to address latent anti-Semitism in the population which has been inculcated for centuries.

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Short term measures can be taken (banning anti-Semitic marches, deporting hate preachers, more security, etc.,) though they won't guarantee total safety.

Long term education has to address latent anti-Semitism in the population which has been inculcated for centuries.

MartavTaurus

TerriBull

Has it ever been suggested, that any other demographic should move away from their establised communities?? I can't help thinking this is just another subliminal dig, "your Jewish, expect these attacks, therefore the onus for your safety should be with yourselves" Not much better than Zac Polanski's "is it just the perception of the Jewish community that they experience more attacks than any one else, rather than the actual reality" something along those lines. Yeah right!you've nailed it Zac Yet another with a skewed vision of how matters really are. Head and sand spring to mind.

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Of course that hasn't been suggested TerriBull. In some cases that would mean dismantling the demographics of whole cities. And that would effectively be ethnic cleansing.

But apparently, the very few small enclaves where for very practical reasons the Jewish community live are ok to dismantle and separate people from their friends, their schools, their work, their shops, their places of worship - in fact dismantle a whole community that has been built up over many years. That's seemingly not ethnic cleansing, it's "for their safety".

MartavTaurus

TerriBull

Has it ever been suggested, that any other demographic should move away from their establised communities?? I can't help thinking this is just another subliminal dig, "your Jewish, expect these attacks, therefore the onus for your safety should be with yourselves" Not much better than Zac Polanski's "is it just the perception of the Jewish community that they experience more attacks than any one else, rather than the actual reality" something along those lines. Yeah right!you've nailed it Zac Yet another with a skewed vision of how matters really are. Head and sand spring to mind.

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Totally agree 👏👏👏

TerriBull

Has it ever been suggested, that any other demographic should move away from their establised communities?? I can't help thinking this is just another subliminal dig, "your Jewish, expect these attacks, therefore the onus for your safety should be with yourselves" Not much better than Zac Polanski's "is it just the perception of the Jewish community that they experience more attacks than any one else, rather than the actual reality" something along those lines. Yeah right!you've nailed it Zac Yet another with a skewed vision of how matters really are. Head and sand spring to mind.

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Why is it that these countries have banned The Muslim Brotherhood.
Egypt
Russia
Saudi Arabia
UAE
Bahrain
Jordan.
Bar one of the above the common denominator is obvious.
So why, as a Christian country we haven’t 🤷‍♀️