Another appalling attack

Allira

Casdon

TerriBull

How many more times does this have to be said!!! Jewish people living in different parts of the world are not the Israeli government.

I agree too, but it does have to be recognised that when tensions are high in the Middle East there are more attacks against innocent Jews living anywhere in the world. If the conflicts de-escalates the attacks will reduce - or at least, that’s what history tells us.

I posted previously:
Jewish people are not collectively responsible for the actions of the Prime Minister of a different country ie Israel, just as we, if we are Christian, are not responsible for Trumps's actions in the Middle East nor Putin's actions in Ukraine.

As Rosie51 says:
I think that 'recognising' it actually leans into justifying or at the very least excusing/explaining antisemitism. Why should Jews have to accept any level of antisemitism, and be reliant on what happens in the Middle East? Unless we all condemn it outright and make no excuses, explanations, or justifications it will continue unabated.

Events in the Middle East by a Government there should not be laid at the door of over 15 million Jewish people around the world. It enables those who hold anti-semitic views to think they are justified in expressing them and others with hatred against Jewish people and violent tendencies to enact them.

It's just the excuse some have been waiting for, as Jewish people are not responsible for what the Israeli Government is doing.
It has no validity.

As I said Allira I’m posting facts. I did not say anything about the Israeli government. I’m not laying anything at all at the door of innocent Jews. What I said was that when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.

Silvergirl

I agree but unfortunately bigoted, uneducated morons exist and will always look for an excuse to hate. My dear friend uses a wheelchair and suffers very often from people attacking her verbally. So far not physically. They say things like she should have been put down at birth. I suppose I'm trying to say these people will always find some outlet for their hate.

It's desperately sad that Jewish people do not feel safe in our country any more but, you are right, bigots will always find an outlet for their hate. I am sorry about the hateful treatment that your friend has to endure.

Casdon

TerriBull

How many more times does this have to be said!!! Jewish people living in different parts of the world are not the Israeli government.

I agree too, but it does have to be recognised that when tensions are high in the Middle East there are more attacks against innocent Jews living anywhere in the world. If the conflicts de-escalates the attacks will reduce - or at least, that’s what history tells us.

I posted previously:
Jewish people are not collectively responsible for the actions of the Prime Minister of a different country ie Israel, just as we, if we are Christian, are not responsible for Trumps's actions in the Middle East nor Putin's actions in Ukraine.

As Rosie51 says:
I think that 'recognising' it actually leans into justifying or at the very least excusing/explaining antisemitism. Why should Jews have to accept any level of antisemitism, and be reliant on what happens in the Middle East? Unless we all condemn it outright and make no excuses, explanations, or justifications it will continue unabated.

Events in the Middle East by a Government there should not be laid at the door of over 15 million Jewish people around the world. It enables those who hold anti-semitic views to think they are justified in expressing them and others with hatred against Jewish people and violent tendencies to enact them.

It's just the excuse some have been waiting for, as Jewish people are not responsible for what the Israeli Government is doing.
It has no validity.

Anniebach

Blaming Israel for attacks on British Jews is denial of antisemitism

We know it wrong and shouldn't happen but that's what ignorant bigots do sadly

I agree but unfortunately bigoted, uneducated morons exist and will always look for an excuse to hate. My dear friend uses a wheelchair and suffers very often from people attacking her verbally. So far not physically. They say things like she should have been put down at birth. I suppose I'm trying to say these people will always find some outlet for their hate.

Blaming Israel for attacks on British Jews is denial of antisemitism

What sort of moron thinks attacking British Jews, or Jews anywhere else will make one iota of difference to Netanyahu? It's an excuse, a very convenient peg on which to hang their antisemitism. Bigoted thugs that enjoy their freedom to enact their base instincts. When Netanyahu goes they'll find another 'reason'.
It's like the misogynists who love to express their hate against women who fight for women's rights, lots of them march under the banner of 'trans rights' because that's an equally convenient peg. Thugs are thugs and will use any excuse.

That is why it is so sad that the lovely, peaceful British Jewish community are having to pay for what that murderous, bloodthirsty man Netanyahu is doing in Gaza and Lebanon. You can deny it all you want but there is a link between this and the rise in antisemitism. That is the reality! Any solution will have to take this into account

Galaxy

If we don't talk about Islamic extremism then more Jewish people will be attacked. It needs some courage from some political party, ,anyone I don't care, but political courage is vanishingly rare.

👏👏👏👏👏 Well said. It's like the elephant in the room. I don't remember any terrorist attack in this country being carried out by Jews.

Oreo

Casdon

Oreo

Love0c* spot on 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

No, she isn’t. The escalation of attacks on Jews is worldwide, regardless of whether governments are socialist or conservative, and marches are banned or not. Terrorism does not respect political regimes. Of course our government should be doing more, but let’s not fool ourselves that when they do it will stop terrorists.

She isn’t in your view but she is in mine.

and she is right in my view too

MartavTaurus

There's no denying that the Muslim communities in the UK aren't targets as well, and that is wrong too.

But the Commissioner, who is responsible for policing on the streets of Britain, in our societies , clearly states that antisemitism is a disease. If even he starts to speak in these terms, then I'm not sure how antisemitism can truly be eradicated, even if the conflict far away calns down.

Indeed, that’s quite shocking and chilling isn’t it!

There's no denying that the Muslim communities in the UK aren't targets as well, and that is wrong too.

But the Commissioner, who is responsible for policing on the streets of Britain, in our societies , clearly states that antisemitism is a disease. If even he starts to speak in these terms, then I'm not sure how antisemitism can truly be eradicated, even if the conflict far away calns down.

Rosie51

Casdon

TerriBull

How many more times does this have to be said!!! Jewish people living in different parts of the world are not the Israeli government.

I agree too, but it does have to be recognised that when tensions are high in the Middle East there are more attacks against innocent Jews living anywhere in the world. If the conflicts de-escalates the attacks will reduce - or at least, that’s what history tells us.

I think that 'recognising' it actually leans into justifying or at the very least excusing/explaining antisemitism. Why should Jews have to accept any level of antisemitism, and be reliant on what happens in the Middle East? Unless we all condemn it outright and make no excuses, explanations, or justifications it will continue unabated.
The UK has nothing to fear from Jews, has there ever been a bomb attack or similar organised by Jews? I don't remember ever reading of a Jew going on a knife rampage. I don't recall ever reading about organised Jewish gangs wreaking havoc on a neighbourhood. In fact you could deduce they are the most law abiding, peaceful contingent in our society. And no I'm not personally a Jew.

It’s just a straightforward fact Rosie61. I’m not condoning any violence against Jews, anywhere, by anybody.

Rosie51 Well said

There’s no excuse or reason for attacks on any innocent groups/cohorts of people.

Galaxy

If we don't talk about Islamic extremism then more Jewish people will be attacked. It needs some courage from some political party, ,anyone I don't care, but political courage is vanishingly rare.

It should be discussed, openly, honestly and calmly, but let’s not pretend that our Muslim communities aren’t targeted too, it may not always be with the same frequency or violence, but sometimes it is, the case of the Sikh woman raped is just one example.

Casdon

TerriBull

How many more times does this have to be said!!! Jewish people living in different parts of the world are not the Israeli government.

I agree too, but it does have to be recognised that when tensions are high in the Middle East there are more attacks against innocent Jews living anywhere in the world. If the conflicts de-escalates the attacks will reduce - or at least, that’s what history tells us.

I think that 'recognising' it actually leans into justifying or at the very least excusing/explaining antisemitism. Why should Jews have to accept any level of antisemitism, and be reliant on what happens in the Middle East? Unless we all condemn it outright and make no excuses, explanations, or justifications it will continue unabated.
The UK has nothing to fear from Jews, has there ever been a bomb attack or similar organised by Jews? I don't remember ever reading of a Jew going on a knife rampage. I don't recall ever reading about organised Jewish gangs wreaking havoc on a neighbourhood. In fact you could deduce they are the most law abiding, peaceful contingent in our society. And no I'm not personally a Jew.

Casdon

It’s much more complicated than only Islamic extremists Oreo, I’m sure you’re aware that antisemitic violence is perpetrated by extremists across the political spectrum.

👏👏👏👏👏

The news I heard clearly stated antisemitism was a world wide issue, growing across the world.

It’s awful, and I heard Starmer is ploughing more cash into Policing London boroughs with high levels of Jewish residents.

Alongside that he’s condemned the attacks and is married to a Jew and they are raising their children as Jews.

“Starmer, Jewish Harmer” is disgusting and totally untrue.

TerriBull

How many more times does this have to be said!!! Jewish people living in different parts of the world are not the Israeli government.

👏👏👏👏👏

If we don't talk about Islamic extremism then more Jewish people will be attacked. It needs some courage from some political party, ,anyone I don't care, but political courage is vanishingly rare.

It’s much more complicated than only Islamic extremists Oreo, I’m sure you’re aware that antisemitic violence is perpetrated by extremists across the political spectrum.

Casdon

TerriBull

How many more times does this have to be said!!! Jewish people living in different parts of the world are not the Israeli government.

I agree too, but it does have to be recognised that when tensions are high in the Middle East there are more attacks against innocent Jews living anywhere in the world. If the conflicts de-escalates the attacks will reduce - or at least, that’s what history tells us.

Yes, from Islamist extremists.

TerriBull

How many more times does this have to be said!!! Jewish people living in different parts of the world are not the Israeli government.

I’m wondering how many times it has to be said🙈

Netanyahu has a lot to answer for. Hopefully in October he will be gone. I don't believe he is popular or ever has been. He only managed to squeeze into power by asking someone from another party to stand with him.
Blaming Jews from all over the world including many in Israel for his actions is so very wrong.

TerriBull

How many more times does this have to be said!!! Jewish people living in different parts of the world are not the Israeli government.

I agree too, but it does have to be recognised that when tensions are high in the Middle East there are more attacks against innocent Jews living anywhere in the world. If the conflicts de-escalates the attacks will reduce - or at least, that’s what history tells us.