You couldn't stand another 'let's attack them gossip thread'?
How upsetting for you!
I'm so sorry!
You can always just not read the thread?
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www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4g5lly7qg8t#player
I watched it all, there is a summary on the page above.
He did quite a bit of challenging, more than expected.
Most significant:
Praised an Independent Judiciary. And the whole house applauded on their feet, not just the democrats. Mentioned the need for checks and balances on power
Raised climate change pretty strongly
Nato needed co-operation inc Europe not nations standing alone - he reminded the US on cooperation after 9/11.
Total need to support Ukraine (hint, hint)
Not to be inward looking.
This was one very very clever and well researched and written speech. Clear, articulate, and clever - It went down very well and he is clearly respected, it will be interesting to see what the US press make of it.
You couldn't stand another 'let's attack them gossip thread'?
How upsetting for you!
I'm so sorry!
You can always just not read the thread?
Indeed. shall we drop it? I dont think I could stand another lets attack them gossip thread and on GN
Or at least dragged into a really serious discussion valuing the Kings work in the USA.
For goodness sake, we don't blame Charles for his wretched brother.
Yes, Dead cat, 'look there's a squirrel".
Allira
Luckygirl3
MarieElla
Interesting hiw KC didn't his American grandchildren as a another example of the UK's connection to America.
Well it would hardly have been fitting in the context of his government rep role.
It would have been most inappropriate.
Honestly, talk about throwing a dead cat as a distraction
I should have said "Yes there is".
Macaydia
Yes, I know what you mean but technically, there is no "half" in British subjects.
Yes.
They can be 'half' American and 'half ' British or, as it is termed, have dual nationality.
Luckygirl3
MarieElla
Interesting hiw KC didn't his American grandchildren as a another example of the UK's connection to America.
Well it would hardly have been fitting in the context of his government rep role.
It would have been most inappropriate.
Half British/half American, but being raised in the US will make them more American, as such.
Yes, I know what you mean but technically, there is no "half" in British subjects.
MarieElla
Interesting hiw KC didn't his American grandchildren as a another example of the UK's connection to America.
Only half American.
MarieElla
Interesting hiw KC didn't his American grandchildren as a another example of the UK's connection to America.
Well it would hardly have been fitting in the context of his government rep role.
*mention
Interesting hiw KC didn't his American grandchildren as a another example of the UK's connection to America.
LemonJam
No doubt a collaboratively constructed speech, yet most likely with Charles having edit rights. No matter, it was very well delivered- and received with a standing ovation on both sides of Congress. A great achievement, soft diplomacy at it's very best and at a time most needed.
Yes, absolutely.
MartavTaurus
^This man didn't write the speech. There would have been a number of individuals responsible for it. He is likely to have had a say in it, that is all.^
Did you not watch BBC News at 6 last night? It was reported that the King wrote the first draft for the speech. Tweaking and adding to it was a collaborative effort between the Palace and the government. Apparently Charles had a huge input, not just a little say in it.
I think that whatever he does will be wrong or not enough in the eyes of some republicans.
Looking at the state of some countries with Presidential systems over history and today, perhaps the repubicans should be careful what they wish for.
Yes, I know about Ireland ......😴
*Smileless2012
hmm I wonder if the speech would have been as challenging if he had been aided by our government; somehow I don't think so.*
I am not sure what this means. The speech will absolutely have been created in conjunction with the government. No monarch can go off at a tangent on an official visit and say anything that is not government approved.
Regarding Epstein survivors - He mentioned them obliquely in his speech to Congress. There would not have been time in this busy state visit to give true attention to a meeting with them, but they were not ignored.
Smileless2012
I wonder if the speech would have been as challenging if he had been aided by our government; somehow I don't think so.
Probably jointly written by the Foreign Office and the Palace. Apparently Charles takes the versions of speeches they have written for him and edits them himself, but he speaks as a representative of the UK Government, not as an individual, so what he said publicly echoes what the Government wants to say but can't.
This man didn't write the speech. There would have been a number of individuals responsible for it. He is likely to have had a say in it, that is all.
Did you not watch BBC News at 6 last night? It was reported that the King wrote the first draft for the speech. Tweaking and adding to it was a collaborative effort between the Palace and the government. Apparently Charles had a huge input, not just a little say in it.
No doubt a collaboratively constructed speech, yet most likely with Charles having edit rights. No matter, it was very well delivered- and received with a standing ovation on both sides of Congress. A great achievement, soft diplomacy at it's very best and at a time most needed.
AGAA4
Disgusted that Trump has said King Charles would have followed him into the Iran war.
It is against all protocol to repeat any private conversations but of course this is Trump and he's adept at twisting words to suit his own agenda.
I knew that Trump would try to show the King’s visit as supporting his illegal war on Iran.
The King will have been briefed to not comment upon the war and certainly not to give an opinion. Though at his age and having been in service to the crown for so long the King will know this already.
Trump is lying. It is his MO.
Allira
^I think the refusal of Charles to meet Epstein's abuse victims should be remembered here^
Yes, it should be remembered as absolutely the right decision.
This was a pointless trip at taxpayers expense.
It was absolutely not pointless. It was a triumph of diplomacy, much needed at this time.
100% agree Allira. Those with an agenda will blindfold themselves to anything but their own view. On balance I didn't want the King and Queen to make this visit, and haven't watched any of it, only read snippets. I thought the visit would appear as an endorsement of Trump. It is obvious they have both done a tremendous job in calming some turbulent waters without in any way compromising the UK's stance. I'm very happy to admit I was wrong, it was absolutely the correct decision to go ahead with it.
Why do people always think that everything must reflect everything else.? This was a state visit by a monarch who handled it so well, he was the absolute epitome of Britishness at its finest. It takes Britain to put on a show - just look at the opening of the 2012 Olympics in London. His speech was perfectly written, perfectly timed and perfectly delivered. Well done KC! You did us proud!
Not quite sure why some people expected him to meet Epstein survivors? I’m not responsible for the sins of my brother.
With her history, may have been appropriate for Camilla to do so.
I think the refusal of Charles to meet Epstein's abuse victims should be remembered here
Yes, it should be remembered as absolutely the right decision.
This was a pointless trip at taxpayers expense.
It was absolutely not pointless. It was a triumph of diplomacy, much needed at this time.
This man didn't write the speech. There would have been a number of individuals responsible for it. He is likely to have had a say in it, that is all. In the end the contents of that speech will not make a jot of difference to the way Trump behaves towards the UK or the world in general.
I think the refusal of Charles to meet Epstein's abuse victims should be remembered here. Some nonsensical excuse about it being inappropriate due to an ongoing investigation. It would have been a legitimate excuse if he was going to be a witness, but that is hardly likely. It's a slap in the face to the survivors and I would had more respect for him if he had.
This was a pointless trip at taxpayers expense. Still the royal family are A1 at costing us money.
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