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I never thought I would see it, even The Observer, (and therefore, presumably, the Guardian) have given up on Starmer

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M0nica Sun 26-Apr-26 20:39:57

Reading The Observer today, I first came across an article where the headline read Starmer is in Liz Truss territory for the worst prime minister. He alienated everybody

Further on in the paper Andrew Rawnsley headlined his article Proud stubborn Starmer thinks he is the right man, but if this is government, I am a Pot Noodle.

Then in another article a Labour councillor and party activist was reported as saying Starmer has got the personality of a Waymo driver A Waymo is a driverless car.

I thought at first I must be reading the Mail on Sunday, but , no, it was The Observer. When even the papers that are a party's staunchest supporters give up on the Prime Minister, he really is in trouble.

Cossy Wed 29-Apr-26 15:15:48

oh M0nica, clearly, unlike you, I’m not perfect!

I also have a pretty shocking memory, partially due to a medical condition.

I find your remarks quite offensive 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Don’t worry though, I’m not expecting an apology. I do envy your ability to recall every event on earth! grin

Rabbitgran Wed 29-Apr-26 15:26:35

I am a Labour voter and I have been shocked by the recent articles against Starmer in The Guardian and The Observer. To the point where I will no longer be buying those newspapers. I still have an online subscription for some Guardian articles and I have been observing the comments on these articles closely. In recent days, the supportive Starmer comments are getting the most likes amongst Guardian readers. For example, Marina Hyde wrote an anti Starmer article yesterday and the comments which had the most support, by a long way, were those criticising Marina Hyde's position. Most comments thought that Starmer has been cleared of dishonesty and observed that Starmer has apologised for his error in appointing Peter Mandelson, that actually, many commentators initially thought it an appropriate appointment given the election of Trump and Mandelson's trade experience, that evidence given to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee showed that Starmer was was not lying about not having been told about the details of Mandelson's vetting. Also that the media should stop trying to unseat Starmer and let the government get on with solving the UK's many difficult problems. I believe that Keir Starmer is an okay PM (and certainly much better than all recent PMs.) The media have had it in for him from the start and there has been a pile on. I was also very disappointed by Sonia Sodha's various anti Starmer TV appearances. So much excitement and hype, drooling about Starmer's downfall. (Reminds me of the reporters in Tarantino's From Dusk till Dawn!) If Starmer does go, the difficult conditions that the UK faces remain. There is so much to be done after all the years of austerity and the problems that the war on Iran is causing and may well get much worse. Personally, I trust Starmer and think that the relationships that he has already forged with other leaders are important. I am impressed by Labour's progress so far and think that currently, he is the best PM for these trying times.

Oreo Wed 29-Apr-26 15:32:59

Have any Starmer fans ever considered he may just be getting a bashing because he’s pretty useless?

Casdon Wed 29-Apr-26 15:47:52

Oreo

Have any Starmer fans ever considered he may just be getting a bashing because he’s pretty useless?

I’d guess it will probably be about the same number as the number of Starmer bashers who can’t spot a media campaign when it slaps them in the face. Plenty of them.

Oreo Wed 29-Apr-26 15:54:52

Or those who can’t spot a conspiracy theory?😉

Oreo Wed 29-Apr-26 15:57:06

Seriously tho, Starmer and Reeves ( the opposite of the dream team) have made mistakes, Starmer is cloth eared and stubborn and is in no sense a leader.Labour must ditch him after the local elections.

Oreo Wed 29-Apr-26 15:58:03

Stay with Starmer…lose the next GE.

Casdon Wed 29-Apr-26 15:58:33

True. You only have to look on the live Old Bailey Starmer Arson thread to see who some of them are, too.

Casdon Wed 29-Apr-26 16:00:26

I think Starmer will go, but it won’t be at the behest of those outside the party who are baying for his blood.

Oreo Wed 29-Apr-26 16:02:40

Of course, it will be from inside the Party.

meddijess Wed 29-Apr-26 16:03:26

I am so glad that we have whitewavemark2 to tell us all how to think and what to think. Where would we be without this wonderful advice? Thinking for ourselves. I find it deeply offensive that left-wingers feel that they have the right to lecture the rest of us on what we should read and what we should think. I am 80 years old and still have my marbles, I can think and read for myself, thank you!

Casdon Wed 29-Apr-26 16:08:11

Why not contribute to the threads more often meddijess, then your voice will be heard?

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 29-Apr-26 19:05:15

The leaders of both the Conservative party and the Reform group were enthusiastic about sending our troops to join Mr Trump's war- possibly a situation where Mr Starmer's stance was correct, and the alternatives would have been a mistake.

M0nica Wed 29-Apr-26 20:01:08

It is the one thing Starmer has been correct on. But hitting the wicket once cannot justify all the missed wickets thaat preceded it.

sazz1 Wed 29-Apr-26 20:25:48

My friend has voted Labour all her life and would defend them to the end.
Last month she amazed me by running down Starmer and the whole Labour Party saying they all need to go asap.
This is the most unpopular Labour Party ever as is the PM.

Kitty55 Wed 29-Apr-26 20:29:03

I think the opposite of you Luckygirl 13. I don’t think Starmer has done a good job at all. You just have to look at the state the country is in. He’s done very little to help the British people. I only hope whoever gets voted in next time proves to be worth it. These past few governments have been a disaster. Starmer in my opinion has been the worst by far.

Oreo Wed 29-Apr-26 20:40:16

M0nica

It is the one thing Starmer has been correct on. But hitting the wicket once cannot justify all the missed wickets thaat preceded it.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Oreo Wed 29-Apr-26 20:41:38

sazz1

My friend has voted Labour all her life and would defend them to the end.
Last month she amazed me by running down Starmer and the whole Labour Party saying they all need to go asap.
This is the most unpopular Labour Party ever as is the PM.

I absolutely agree with her.And having waited 14 years for Labour to reach Number Ten, this is what we get!

Gran22boys Wed 29-Apr-26 20:54:01

Maremia

We did not blindly follow Trump into his illegal war.
Badenoch and Farage would have.
Kudos to Starmer for that. 👏

Definitely!!

Primrose53 Wed 29-Apr-26 21:44:29

sazz1

My friend has voted Labour all her life and would defend them to the end.
Last month she amazed me by running down Starmer and the whole Labour Party saying they all need to go asap.
This is the most unpopular Labour Party ever as is the PM.

Same here! I voted Labour most of my adult life but nothing would tempt me back while Starmer is still in charge.

He is so hopeless that 14 of his MPs sided with the Conservatives and dozens abstained on the vote regarding the investigation into whether he lied to Parliament.

Casdon Wed 29-Apr-26 21:52:40

One thing Starmer does have in his favour is that he hasn’t accidentally forgotten to declare a £5million personal gift as required by the Parliamentary Standards Committee.

sundowngirl Wed 29-Apr-26 22:36:05

Whataboutery
Casdon I thought you were better than that

Casdon Wed 29-Apr-26 22:40:16

sundowngirl

Whataboutery
Casdon I thought you were better than that

No, and I don’t pretend to be sundowngirl.

Oreo Thu 30-Apr-26 08:31:57

Casdon

One thing Starmer does have in his favour is that he hasn’t accidentally forgotten to declare a £5million personal gift as required by the Parliamentary Standards Committee.

Not that anybody knows of anyway.
But he did accept thousands and thousands for designer suits and glasses for himself and dresses for his wife.It was legal as long as he declared it but I felt very let down by him for doing this, I thought he may be different regarding snouts in troughs but obvs not.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 30-Apr-26 09:01:52

meddijess

I am so glad that we have whitewavemark2 to tell us all how to think and what to think. Where would we be without this wonderful advice? Thinking for ourselves. I find it deeply offensive that left-wingers feel that they have the right to lecture the rest of us on what we should read and what we should think. I am 80 years old and still have my marbles, I can think and read for myself, thank you!

😄😄😄 I have just one post on this thread 😄😄😄 I voiced my opinion that in order to push back against the biased media, we should all think as critically as possible.

I have not said what I think people should read nor what they think, but simply that in my opinion it helps if we all question what we are reading and listening to, regardless of the publication/commentator/political party.