I never thought I would see it, even The Observer, (and therefore, presumably, the Guardian) have given up on Starmer

Or those who can’t spot a conspiracy theory?😉

Oreo

Have any Starmer fans ever considered he may just be getting a bashing because he’s pretty useless?

I’d guess it will probably be about the same number as the number of Starmer bashers who can’t spot a media campaign when it slaps them in the face. Plenty of them.

Have any Starmer fans ever considered he may just be getting a bashing because he’s pretty useless?

I am a Labour voter and I have been shocked by the recent articles against Starmer in The Guardian and The Observer. To the point where I will no longer be buying those newspapers. I still have an online subscription for some Guardian articles and I have been observing the comments on these articles closely. In recent days, the supportive Starmer comments are getting the most likes amongst Guardian readers. For example, Marina Hyde wrote an anti Starmer article yesterday and the comments which had the most support, by a long way, were those criticising Marina Hyde's position. Most comments thought that Starmer has been cleared of dishonesty and observed that Starmer has apologised for his error in appointing Peter Mandelson, that actually, many commentators initially thought it an appropriate appointment given the election of Trump and Mandelson's trade experience, that evidence given to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee showed that Starmer was was not lying about not having been told about the details of Mandelson's vetting. Also that the media should stop trying to unseat Starmer and let the government get on with solving the UK's many difficult problems. I believe that Keir Starmer is an okay PM (and certainly much better than all recent PMs.) The media have had it in for him from the start and there has been a pile on. I was also very disappointed by Sonia Sodha's various anti Starmer TV appearances. So much excitement and hype, drooling about Starmer's downfall. (Reminds me of the reporters in Tarantino's From Dusk till Dawn!) If Starmer does go, the difficult conditions that the UK faces remain. There is so much to be done after all the years of austerity and the problems that the war on Iran is causing and may well get much worse. Personally, I trust Starmer and think that the relationships that he has already forged with other leaders are important. I am impressed by Labour's progress so far and think that currently, he is the best PM for these trying times.

oh M0nica, clearly, unlike you, I’m not perfect!

I also have a pretty shocking memory, partially due to a medical condition.

I find your remarks quite offensive 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Don’t worry though, I’m not expecting an apology. I do envy your ability to recall every event on earth!

Menopauselbitch

No one is mentioning the Ukrainian rent boys?

See the other thread about media blackout.

It is not the Guardian it is the Observer owned now by Tortoise Media and desperate for coverage and clicks. Who’d be Starmer? Wars everywhere, no £ after years of austerity and a declining colonial power, and Trump to deal with - they hoped
Mandelson would handle him. Oh dear.

No one is mentioning the Ukrainian rent boys?

Casdon

You aren’t a Labour Party member eazybee, so I can understand why you don’t understand.

How very condescending

Cossy

MartavTaurus

I remember Boris stood up in Parliament after the Covid May outside party and apologised for getting things wrong, and also said he took responsibility.

I’d forgotten this, apologies again.

We do not want apologies. we want people to get it right in the first place.

There seems to be a general belief aat the moment that it doesn't matter how much you muck things up, as long as you make an apology afterwards, that makes it all OK. It doesn't.

We need to go back tot the days when people resigned when they mucked things up. It seemed to be a very good way of making sure that they got things right the first time.

"MPs are voting on whether to launch a parliamentary inquiry into him — specifically, whether to refer him to the Commons Privileges Committee over allegations he may have misled Parliament about the appointment of Peter Mandelson."

I believe the story Olly Robbin's told

The investigation into Mandelson showed he was not suitable as ambassador, but the pressure from aides at No10 wanted him approved and not tell Starmer

Who were these "aides" and why did they want Mandelson approved so badly.

MartavTaurus

I remember Boris stood up in Parliament after the Covid May outside party and apologised for getting things wrong, and also said he took responsibility.

I’d forgotten this, apologies again.

Hikes not homes!

Oreo

How much time do you think every poster has Cossy ?
I shall just say for now that business leaders warned the government about raising minimum wages, changing zero hours contracts and hiking NI for employers all at the same time.
We now see massive unemployment for young people and businesses closing at horrifying levels.

I agree that whilst on their own, these were good things, putting them into place all at the same time, was probably foolish.

However, I’m very pleased zero hours contracts have been outlawed, more people suffered from this than gained, especially those who have regular bills and rent to pay.

In terms of NI homes, I believe this was a disaster for small businesses and not we thought out!

I’m glad minimum wage has increased, far too many working people still claim a top up from Universal credits due to low wages, so, as was the case with Tax Credits, the govt is subsidising some companies, some of which are big corporations and shockingly the starting grade of AA in Civil Service jobs are often meeting the criteria for a Universal Credit claim.

Cossy

*despite your assertions that Starmer has never publicly apologised

Please read what I wrote, Cossy, I made no assertions, or claims about KS. I asked two questions. Has he?*

My apologies, the answer is yes, he has publicly apologised.

😆
Apologies accepted! 💐

*despite your assertions that Starmer has never publicly apologised

Please read what I wrote, Cossy, I made no assertions, or claims about KS. I asked two questions. Has he?*

My apologies, the answer is yes, he has publicly apologised.

despite your assertions that Starmer has never publicly apologised

Please read what I wrote, Cossy, I made no assertions, or claims about KS. I asked two questions. Has he?

I remember Boris stood up in Parliament after the Covid May outside party and apologised for getting things wrong, and also said he took responsibility.

MartavTaurus

^There are things Starmer has got very wrong^

And that's where I came in earlier calling KS arrogant and cloth-eared. Has he once apologised for what he got very wrong? Has he once acknowledged his mistakes? I can't think of any occasions. All I see is a man showing fear, and trying to protect his own interests by backtracking and u turning.

Which PMs can you name across decades all of whom have made horrendous mistakes and errors too, who have personally apologised?

Besides which, despite your assertions that Starmer has never publicly apologised?

“As of April 2026, Prime Minister Keir Starmer has publicly apologized for several key decisions and statements made since becoming PM, most notably regarding the appointment of Lord Mandelson as US ambassador. He has also apologized for leaks regarding defence spending and expressed regret over using specific language in a past immigration speech.
BBC
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Key apologies since July 2024 include:
Peter Mandelson Appointment (April 2026): Starmer told the House of Commons he was "wrong" to appoint Mandelson, who had failed security vetting. He expressed regret, apologized to the victims of Jeffrey Epstein for the decision, and took full responsibility.
BBC
BBC
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Believing "Lies" (February 2026): Starmer apologized for trusting Lord Mandelson's representations regarding his past relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
YouTube
YouTube
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Leak Apology (Feb 2025): He apologized to Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch in the Commons for information being leaked to the media regarding defence spending.
Financial Times
Financial Times
Immigration Language (June 2025): Starmer told his biographer he "deeply regretted" using the phrase "island of strangers" in an earlier speech, which he claimed he did not know echoed language used by Enoch Powell.
Financial Times
Financial Times”

He’s a human being, he gets things wrong and in some areas he’s acknowledged this publicly!

There are things Starmer has got very wrong

And that's where I came in earlier calling KS arrogant and cloth-eared. Has he once apologised for what he got very wrong? Has he once acknowledged his mistakes? I can't think of any occasions. All I see is a man showing fear, and trying to protect his own interests by backtracking and u turning.

How much time do you think every poster has Cossy ?
I shall just say for now that business leaders warned the government about raising minimum wages, changing zero hours contracts and hiking NI for employers all at the same time.
We now see massive unemployment for young people and businesses closing at horrifying levels.

My question was are all these policies wrong and mistakes I’m literally asking you for feedback?

It’s easy to rubbish everything the LP has put in place, it’s far more difficult (it seems) to exactly explain why and to say what you’d do differently.

Criticise by all means, but please explain the why and how

I was glad that Mr Starmer rejected Mr Trump's war mongering rally cries.
Both the leader of the Conservative party and the Reform group were all for our troops supporting Mr Trump .
Wisely, both people " read the room" and retracted their enthusiasm fairly promptly.
Is this not"flip flopping", or can this phrase be used only in reference to the Prime Minister?

Starmer seems to have very little good judgement on anything.

Oreo That’s why I’ve listed them, so you and others can point out to me the many flaws in all these policies?