Mandelson failed security vetting. Starmer says he didn’t know

Taking the UK out of the EU has been shown to be a disaster.

Ooops! Cross post. Sorry!

The point is that the first horizontal blue bar, which is supposed to represent 86%, looks more like 50% (or perhaps a little more). Lots of people just look at visuals and don't bother with written figures, so they will end up thinking that it's still approximately half/half.

Oh, the blue bit, sorry. I didn't even look at that, just the percentages! 😁

The paper was so embarrassed by the 84% vote to rejoin they reset the horizontal axis to make 84% look like 50%.

or is it me? It looks quite clear

Daily Mail poll showing 84% of readers want to rejoin the EU.

The paper was so embarrassed by the 84% vote to rejoin they reset the horizontal axis to make 84% look like 50%.

Galaxy

Oh I have just seen who is 'favourite' to replace Starmer amongst members, Ed milliband, I could weep.

www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/people/i-dont-want-to-be-pm-says-doncaster-mp-over-potential-leadership-bid-5509916

Meandrog - you seem to be a Boris fan but he ranks low with the majority- 5th of 7 in 21st Century Prime Ministers.

The Brexit referendum in 2016, under Cameron's government lead to getting the UK out of EU. Cameron resigned- Teresa May followed. Boris succeeded TM and reopened the Brexit withdrawal agreement negotiations. In context of his Brexit poor judgement and poor decisions - in early September 2019 Boris prorogued Parliament- the Supreme Court later rules he did this unlawfully.

Boris then agreed to a revised Brexit withdrawal agreement but he failed to win parliamentary support. So withdrawl negotiations continued until agreed and signed in January 2020.

The pros and cons of the withdrawal agreement and the adverse impact of that on the UK is another matter. It is safe to say that the adverse impact felt by the general population of those terms has lead to the majority of the population now believing the decision to leave the EU was wrong and the UK is worse off.

An interesting comparisons in context of the subject matter of this post: In 2022 Boris appointed Chris Pincher as deputy chief whip whilst he was well aware of sexual misconduct allegations against him. Boris's poor judgement call lead to a massive resignations of members of his government. In comparison, Starmer and those managing the vetting process did not know of the detail of Epstein file information relating to Peter M, released after his appointment. Starmer's government members have not, to date at least, resigned in massive numbers as they did for Boris.

Galaxy

Oh I have just seen who is 'favourite' to replace Starmer amongst members, Ed milliband, I could weep.

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Please 🙅‍♀️ no!

LemonJam

All Prime Minsters have their fans and their detractors- some more than others. List Truss arguably the most disliked in modern times, including by her own Party. All PMs get things wrong- and even more so in the eyes of their detractors.

Is Boris Johnson the best PM we have had for a long time? Obviously his fans will think so. According to an Ipsos poll, a substantial portion of the British public viewed his tenure negatively, with many ranking it among the worst in recent history. However, his fans/supporters continue to praise his charisma and ability to change UK politics.

He certainly had charisma in spades but more importantly he got the UK out of the EU.

Oh I have just seen who is 'favourite' to replace Starmer amongst members, Ed milliband, I could weep.

I think Labour will do better than expected in the local elections, partly because of all the adverse publicity which will prompt disillusioned labour to vote , because the alternative (for them) is so much worse. Keir Starmer should go but nothing at present dents his carapace of arrogance, and he simply does not care about Britain.

keepingquiet, I don't know what you're going on about. I didn't suggest that there's a leadership election.

Labour Party is toast.

Well that shows the difference in views! I think the laboyr party is now the party of the middle class.

The Labour Party needs to rethink its political ideology if it wants another term in office. There’s no appeal to the aspirational middle classes atm and I guess it’s this group who turn out to vote?

twaddle

Personally, I'd be amazed if Starmer is allowed to hang on until the next general election (unless something very unexpected happens). However, that will be up to the Labour Party itself. I'm not a member and I don't follow it that closely, so I don't know exactly how the process works. My impression is that there is a lot of division. The party would be foolish to topple Starmer until there's a clear leader waiting in the sidelines - and I don't think there is yet.

The Labour Party's parliamentary majority is so huge that it (and Starmer) could hang for a while, even if the local elections are a disaster. If, as predicted, Reform take a number of councils, the chances are they'll make a pig's ear of them, as they have with the councils they already hold. People might begin to think twice about voting for them again and certainly begin to wonder if they could really run the country when they can't run local councils. It's anybody's guess where their votes would go, if they didn't vote for Reform, but Labour could benefit.

Twaddle you are well named!
You say Starmer is 'hanging on' without any evidence that's the case.
'You then admit to not being a party member, well I am and can say there is not an inkling of a leadership election except in the media. It is pure fabrication.
I do agree with you final comments though, which sort of contradict what you wrote first, that Labour are in power for some time and won't be going anywhere, even if Reform do manage to scrape some councils.
Either way it is a win for Labour in that they either do well in the local elections, or Reforrm do and then collapse because their political ideology doesn't bear scrutiny, even if there is one, which I don't believe there is.

Just so twaddle. I can’t see any candidate who could replace Starmer currently.
I wish Andy Burnham had stood in Gorton and Denton, he’d be an asset in Westminster and a string candidate in any leadership contest.
Maybe a seat will be fiubd for him

Personally, I'd be amazed if Starmer is allowed to hang on until the next general election (unless something very unexpected happens). However, that will be up to the Labour Party itself. I'm not a member and I don't follow it that closely, so I don't know exactly how the process works. My impression is that there is a lot of division. The party would be foolish to topple Starmer until there's a clear leader waiting in the sidelines - and I don't think there is yet.

The Labour Party's parliamentary majority is so huge that it (and Starmer) could hang for a while, even if the local elections are a disaster. If, as predicted, Reform take a number of councils, the chances are they'll make a pig's ear of them, as they have with the councils they already hold. People might begin to think twice about voting for them again and certainly begin to wonder if they could really run the country when they can't run local councils. It's anybody's guess where their votes would go, if they didn't vote for Reform, but Labour could benefit.

Thanks LemonJam. Starmer always admitted he isn’t a politician and rather than being an advantage it’s back fired.
I still see him as a man of honour but acknowledge mistakes that rest at his door.

Anyone who sees Johnson as the best PM we e had in ages is simply Very Wrong

AI Overview: ( Starmer hasn't finished his tenure yet so doesn't feature)

Top UK Prime Ministers (Popularity Ranking 2024)

Key Historical Rankings (Up to 2024)
Long-term historical analyses, including academic surveys of postwar leaders, typically emphasise effectiveness and impact:
Top Performers: Winston Churchill (war leadership), Clement Attlee (creation of the welfare state/NHS), and Margaret Thatcher (economic reform).
High-Ranking Moderners: Tony Blair is often rated highly for electoral success and modernisation.

21st Century Prime Ministers (Ranked by Stability/Performance) By early 2024, the UK experienced significant turnover, leading to these general, lower-end rankings for recent leaders regarding stability:

1)Tony Blair (1997–2007) - Long tenure, major reforms.
2) Gordon Brown (2007–2010) - Viewed better over time.
3) David Cameron (2010–2016)
4) Theresa May (2016–2019)
5) Boris Johnson (2019–2022) - Highly popular within his party, polarising nationally.
6) Rishi Sunak (2022–2024) - Faced low public satisfaction scores.
7) Liz Truss (2022) - Shortest tenure, lowest ranking.

Meandrogrog

twaddle

eazybee

You can blame the headlines in the right-wing newspapers all you like, but Starmer is the author of his own misfortune: simply a painful lack of ability. Over-promoted during his legal career, seen as an escape from Jeremy Corbyn with help from Petey, he is now a laughing stock, (see Have I Got News etc). Very hard to come back after that, compounded by his disastrous performance in the House last week.

That's not directly related to his not knowing about Mandelson's security vetting. What's happening is that many of those people who have a negative opinion of Starmer are picking on this as another stick to beat him.

Yes, I do know what the headlines have been writing about him from the day Labour won the election.

And people did exactly the same with Boris, best PM we have had for a long time.

Even after being photographed drunk and hung over after partying with Lebedev ( who he gave a knighthood to?) and that was even before he became PM? Has Keir Starmer ever done anything like that?

All Prime Minsters have their fans and their detractors- some more than others. List Truss arguably the most disliked in modern times, including by her own Party. All PMs get things wrong- and even more so in the eyes of their detractors.

Is Boris Johnson the best PM we have had for a long time? Obviously his fans will think so. According to an Ipsos poll, a substantial portion of the British public viewed his tenure negatively, with many ranking it among the worst in recent history. However, his fans/supporters continue to praise his charisma and ability to change UK politics.

twaddle

eazybee

You can blame the headlines in the right-wing newspapers all you like, but Starmer is the author of his own misfortune: simply a painful lack of ability. Over-promoted during his legal career, seen as an escape from Jeremy Corbyn with help from Petey, he is now a laughing stock, (see Have I Got News etc). Very hard to come back after that, compounded by his disastrous performance in the House last week.

That's not directly related to his not knowing about Mandelson's security vetting. What's happening is that many of those people who have a negative opinion of Starmer are picking on this as another stick to beat him.

Yes, I do know what the headlines have been writing about him from the day Labour won the election.

And people did exactly the same with Boris, best PM we have had for a long time.

This latest debacle from Starmer isn’t the first or only thing he’s got wrong it’s (along with no doubt dismal election results) the straw that will break the camels back.
He’s a weak leader with poor judgement.