Migrants pretending to be gay so they can claim asylum

People lie to get what they want. Always have and always will.

An update:

The immigration lawyer, cited in the BBC article as: We showed our footage to Ana Gonzalez, an expert immigration lawyer with 30 years' experience. has published a post on her Linkedin page claiming that the BBC article was unbalanced and didn't report some of her comments which would have altered its perspective.

Basically, she says that the tactics being pushed by the people featured in the report are little more than a scam and would be highly unlikely to be accepted by the Home Office for granting AS status.

www.linkedin.com/posts/ana-gonzalez-332223184_bbcimmigration-fraudsters-migrants-activity-7452673087550124033-Nmnb

Silvergirl

It totally disgusts me that lawyers are colluding with these lies. It should be against the law and dealt with accordingly.

Not colluding but instigating.

Hopefully, those featured in the reports will be prosecuted and disbarred.

Primrose53

Wyllow3

Can you provide some evidence, Primrose ?

No, I am not totally doubting you, that it's been used, but just saying it is so isn't enough - some details, the extent, who is doing this, some examples, any facts etc?

Go on then, I’ll bite …… this time. But expect even this won’t be good enough.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crl19dzdd38o

Au contraire, as I watched the BBC News tonight, You are right - it's appallingly true.

There was an awful interview with a woman who had been domestically abused and managed to get out, then her abuser claimed she had coercively abused him and was he'd for a time by the police until she produced evidence.

My view of anyone legal who backs this is just about unprintable.

Me neither.
I'm not a lawyer!

I’ve been thinking about that Allira. It constitutes a betrayal of the UK law different to the usual type of fraud, maybe it should be part of people trafficking, I don’t know.

Whitewavemark2

Casdon

TerriBull

That may be so! but this thread is equally about bent manipulative lawyers.

I think that is the most important element in the discussion. People desperate to enter the country are going to try many different, dishonest in some cases, means to get accepted. Lawyers who help them to lie and falsify legal documentation deserve very strict punishment.

But - there have always been bent lawyers just as there are bent coppers.

It is nothing new.

But - there have always been bent lawyers

But just because there are does not mean there should be.
They need to be rooted out and charged. Fraud?

As do people who lie, to get into this country.

Casdon

TerriBull

That may be so! but this thread is equally about bent manipulative lawyers.

I think that is the most important element in the discussion. People desperate to enter the country are going to try many different, dishonest in some cases, means to get accepted. Lawyers who help them to lie and falsify legal documentation deserve very strict punishment.

But - there have always been bent lawyers just as there are bent coppers.

It is nothing new.

Wyllow3

Can you provide some evidence, Primrose ?

No, I am not totally doubting you, that it's been used, but just saying it is so isn't enough - some details, the extent, who is doing this, some examples, any facts etc?

Go on then, I’ll bite …… this time. But expect even this won’t be good enough.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crl19dzdd38o

sixandahalf

Primrose53

Another excuse they use is “domestic violence”. They know or are told every trick in the book.

Gosh you seem remarkably knowledgeable on this subject.

Do you have any links or data at all please?

Who are " they".

Another goady post.

sixandahalf

So I suppose it would be Some Migrants really?

Are Some migrants claiming they are the victims of DV?

These wily individuals are coached by money grabbing lawyers and told to pretend they are in danger?

The 'lawyers' and advisers are wily.
The asylum seekers are clutching at straws.

Goady posts are not helpful to balanced discussion.

valdali

Who does most damage, though?
Those despicable lawyers who are making a living by coaching people to cheat, or those lawyers in the USA that use every loophole, every contact, every delaying tactic, every pay-off to keep Trump (who is a very naughty man) un-impeached and free to cause the world grief?

Red herring.
🤔

Refusal Rates: Refusal rates for migrants seeking leave to remain under the 'Domestic Violence rule' rose significantly from 12% to 30% between 2012 and 2016

It seems quite a number of cases were thrown out.

So I suppose it would be Some Migrants really?

Are Some migrants claiming they are the victims of DV?

These wily individuals are coached by money grabbing lawyers and told to pretend they are in danger?

I’m astounded it’s taken so long to high light this issue. Let’s hope ‘something ‘ is done. Do Immigration lawyers need greater powers to refuse applicants they doubt - ongoing repeated appeals are so expensive

valdali

Who does most damage, though?
Those despicable lawyers who are making a living by coaching people to cheat, or those lawyers in the USA that use every loophole, every contact, every delaying tactic, every pay-off to keep Trump (who is a very naughty man) un-impeached and free to cause the world grief?

Both! Both types are utterly despicable

When/if 😉 these solicitors are struck off they will still be able to give ( sell 🤬) advice.

On a broader note these solicitors will run rings round the home office if it ever goes to trail.

Who does most damage, though?
Those despicable lawyers who are making a living by coaching people to cheat, or those lawyers in the USA that use every loophole, every contact, every delaying tactic, every pay-off to keep Trump (who is a very naughty man) un-impeached and free to cause the world grief?

Wyllow3
Domestic violence was mentioned in the bbc report.
Do you believe the bbc?

www.ndtv.com/world-news/migrants-are-faking-as-domestic-abuse-victims-to-fast-track-their-pr-in-the-uk-11366235

sixandahalf 18.26.

Google BBC "Migrants making false claims to stay in UK, BBC investigation finds" for domestic violence reference.

I agree with Allira, Casdon and TerriBull- it's the bent lawyers and "advisors" to blame for encouraging this. May they be found, held accountable and where necessary, struck of the Solictor's register.

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Casdon

TerriBull

That may be so! but this thread is equally about bent manipulative lawyers.

I think that is the most important element in the discussion. People desperate to enter the country are going to try many different, dishonest in some cases, means to get accepted. Lawyers who help them to lie and falsify legal documentation deserve very strict punishment.

Yes. And struck off so they cannot practise again.

I’m amazed that some people are more outraged by (sometimes) desperate migrants lying to enter the UK than the corrupt lawyers getting them to lie to get both legal aid (payment for said lawyers) and then getting them to lie and indeed create a whole fictitious backstory to try and get their asylum claims accepted!

What is wrong with people! 😱😱😱

Can you provide some evidence, Primrose ?

No, I am not totally doubting you, that it's been used, but just saying it is so isn't enough - some details, the extent, who is doing this, some examples, any facts etc?