Migrants pretending to be gay so they can claim asylum

Wyllow3

Indeed it is, and quite right to stop it. But arguing that because a man has had a child and was married he could not have been gay all along is quite inaccurate, as I said, it used to happen all the time to hide being gay in the UK for centuries.

Yes it did & that’s because they were imprisoned for being gay.
I have absolutely no problem with gay people, but when lawyers are telling these men to pretend, to claim asylum, then saying to bring over their wife’s they then have to pretend to be a lesbian is a downright lie.

Oreo

twaddle

Oreo

It wasn’t up to him twaddle

Whom wasn't it up to? Sorry, I don't understand.

Peter Sutcliffe

Ah! I'm afraid I wasn't very interested in following up what happened to him. There was no way he was ever going to be released and that's what mattered to me.

Oreo

The UK can’t take the millions of gay or Christian people who want to live elsewhere but it looks very much like they don’t and it’s fraudsters claiming it.
The provable history would have to be a damn sight more convincing than joining a group where nobody is actually gay.

I'm sorry. This post seems somewhat muddled. It really doesn't make sense.

Do you actually know of any group anywhere where nobody is gay?

twaddle

Oreo

It wasn’t up to him twaddle

Whom wasn't it up to? Sorry, I don't understand.

Peter Sutcliffe

Primrose53

Another excuse they use is “domestic violence”. They know or are told every trick in the book.

Ah! The amorphous "they". Would it be possible to quantify this group?

Oreo

It wasn’t up to him twaddle

Whom wasn't it up to? Sorry, I don't understand.

Another excuse they use is “domestic violence”. They know or are told every trick in the book.

The UK can’t take the millions of gay or Christian people who want to live elsewhere but it looks very much like they don’t and it’s fraudsters claiming it.
The provable history would have to be a damn sight more convincing than joining a group where nobody is actually gay.

It wasn’t up to him twaddle

Oreo

Visgir1

Is anyone really surprised, they will try anything. This must have been going on for ages.

It has!
Claims of being gay or miraculous conversions to Christianity shouldn’t even be considered as reasons to grant asylum here, which would put an instant stop to the crooked lawyers/ advisors and make the asylum assessment easier and faster.

Even if people have a provable history of persecution as a result of being gay or Christian in a country where neither is tolerated?

petra

Wyllow3
Peter Sutcliff must have had a miraculous recovery from his mental illness because in 2016 he was deemed mentally fit to be sent to a non psychiatric prison.

Which probably proves that he is mentally ill! Why would anybody want to be transferred to a prison from a secure hospital?

petra

Wyllow3
Peter Sutcliff must have had a miraculous recovery from his mental illness because in 2016 he was deemed mentally fit to be sent to a non psychiatric prison.

He did what he did because he wanted to, there’s MH cases and there’s just bad.

I wonder what percentage of asylum claimants use this ruse? 0.1%, 1%, 10%? Of course it's fraud and shoukd be stopped but how extensive is it?

Visgir1

Is anyone really surprised, they will try anything. This must have been going on for ages.

It has!
Claims of being gay or miraculous conversions to Christianity shouldn’t even be considered as reasons to grant asylum here, which would put an instant stop to the crooked lawyers/ advisors and make the asylum assessment easier and faster.

Wyllow3
Peter Sutcliff must have had a miraculous recovery from his mental illness because in 2016 he was deemed mentally fit to be sent to a non psychiatric prison.

"What makes it all so tragic and cruel is that these criminals are making it impossible for the genuine cases who desperately need help."

That is so true!

Asylum scams have been big business for years and yet some people seem surprised or disbelieving. There are various scams like being gay, Christian or too young to send back. Muscular adults with beards were being accepted as children. The authorities must be blind and stupid.

Remember a couple of years ago when the previously Muslim applicants suddenly saw the light and were all being baptised as Christians.

What makes it all so tragic and cruel is that these criminals are making it impossible for the genuine cases who desperately need help.

Visgir1

Is anyone really surprised, they will try anything. This must have been going on for ages.

It’s not really about the immigrants is it!

Is anyone really surprised, they will try anything. This must have been going on for ages.

I agree GG we do have an element who have been cynically manipulating the legal system for ages, I can remember undercover programmes about such nefarious activities ages go. Naturally, all paid via taxation. Of course to mention any of that immediately puts such criticism as veering into extreme right territory.

A massive overhaul would be good, but I doubt whether that will happen.

Unfortunately there are some lawyers, barristers and even KC’s in this country with morals worse than alley cats.

Apologies to all alley cats 🐈‍⬛🐈

TerriBull

As Petra said up thread this has been common knowledge for ages.

Two things spring to mind, firstly how dangerous it is to be gay in some countries where ultimate sanctions are applied hanging, beheading, thrown off the top of a building. Things were bad enough here at one time, look how we treated Alan Turing, who changed the course of the war in our favour. So I'd hate to think we couldn't give sanctuary to those who are fleeing brutal regimes where execution for one's sexuality is applied.

However, it's a fact that we have crooked, manipulative lawyers here who make a lucrative living off not only these cases, but defending absolute criminals such as "groomers" having committed hideous crimes and then hinder their deportation through lengthy appeals via Legal Aid. Very little seems to be done about investigating the abuse of Legal Aid in such cases it does seem.

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twaddle

I agree with you TerriBull. I have no sympathy at all for crooked lawyers. The law and lawyers should be without blemish. Lawyers found to be abusing their position should be punished harshly.

Yes!

I agree with you TerriBull. I have no sympathy at all for crooked lawyers. The law and lawyers should be without blemish. Lawyers found to be abusing their position should be punished harshly.

GrannyGravy13

Lies, are lies, end of

I’m with you on this one MartaVTaurus

Genuine asylum seekers should be welcomed, the liars, cheaters and chancers ^no way Jose^

I'm certainly not disputing that and I don't think anybody else is, but I still don't understand what the honesty of the victim's family has to do with it.

Nobody has disputed that Calocane had schizophrenia. Anybody who has had experience of somebody with severe schizophrenia knows that lying and covering up are symptoms. Unfortunately, some of the people dealing with him before the murders didn't seem to know that and may have taken what he said at face value. However, professionals should have known and he should have been restrained long before the murders took place.

All of that is very different from people setting up organisations to support lying.