Migrants pretending to be gay so they can claim asylum

Thank you to the Beeb - I imagine solicitors or lawyers should be struck off unable to practice? There may be laws I'm not aware of on top of that?

I imagine the press will now be very on top of it to "out" those concerned, and quite right too.

As long as they get it right and those who are fighting the corner for genuine gay people are not struck off.

No they are not "all" mentally ill.

But I totally, utterly, agree with twaddle

"In layman's terms, I don't think many people would accept that somebody who murdered 13(?) women for no reason was sane".

Now that the BBC have done the job of going undercover to bring this to public and government’s notice, the big question is what will be done to stop it.

I don’t believe they are all mentally ill.

There are evil people who just have no conscience and do whatever pleases them.

petra

Wyllow3
Peter Sutcliff must have had a miraculous recovery from his mental illness because in 2016 he was deemed mentally fit to be sent to a non psychiatric prison.

Peter Sutcliffe was transferred to a normal prison because it was deemed that there was nothing more Broadmoor could do to treat him. It's a matter of dispute whether his mental illness was ever accepted in the first place. Originally it wasn't and he spent the first few weeks of his sentence in a normal prison.

To be honest, whether he was categorised as mentally ill or not was irrelevant. He was never going to be released. All that mattered was his management plan. In layman's terms, I don't think many people would accept that somebody who murdered 13(?) women for no reason was sane.

Meandrogrog

MartavTaurus

sixandahalf

Nowt like a bit of righteous indignation with your All bran.

Yes, it's fine to feel strong emotions in such cases of deception, even contempt. Whatever the lies given. I make no apologies.

To joke about eating Allbran in the same breath is hardly appropriate. Have you nothing more interesting to say?

No sixandahalf usually doesnt have anything more interesting to say.

That's a matter of opinion. From what I've seen, "sixandahalf" usually has very interesting points to make. Unlike some others, she doesn't just sneer and attack those who post things she doesn't like. She deals in facts and genuine points for discussion.

Silvergirl

It totally disgusts me that lawyers are colluding with these lies. It should be against the law and dealt with accordingly.

Of course it's already "against the law".

It totally disgusts me that lawyers are colluding with these lies. It should be against the law and dealt with accordingly.

I was not aware of this scam, petra, and I have asked some acquaintances today, and they were not, so perhaps it's not quite as well known as you suggest.
This is a shocking abuse of the system and I hope that any solicitors proved to have been involved in this have their licence revoked.

I have read about asylum seekers pretending to be gay to ask for asylum, then going on holiday to their home country! Talk about taking the p…….

Cossy

*Meandrogrog

MartavTaurus
sixandahalf
Nowt like a bit of righteous indignation with your All bran.
Yes, it's fine to feel strong emotions in such cases of deception, even contempt. Whatever the lies given. I make no apologies.

To joke about eating Allbran in the same breath is hardly appropriate. Have you nothing more interesting to say?
No sixandahalf usually doesnt have anything more interesting to say.*

Bang out of order from both of you!

It was simply a joke, you didn’t like it, scroll on by!

It wasnt simply a joke, it was sneering, hence the response.

The genuine gay asylum seekers are being done a great disservice by the ones who lie. And it's obviously been known about for some time.

Statement from the Peter Tatchell Foundation:

Last year, we spoke out after being overwhelmed by a surge in asylum seekers who we believed to be fake. We expressed concern that Worcester LGBT+ was not a genuine group but a front for ripping-off authentic LGBT+ refugees with exorbitant fees and promoting fake asylum claims by people who are straight.

“Our priority has always been those facing real danger because of their sexuality or gender identity. The Home Office must not allow fraudulent claims to weaken its resolve to give asylum to LGBTs who have suffered, or are at risk of, arrest, imprisonment, torture and the failure of police in their home countries to protect them from mob violence and attempted murder.

Basgetti

petra

What amuses me is the fact that the bbc thought. that nobody knew about the scam.
The world and his wife knew about it 🤦🏼‍♀️

Most prefer evidence to anecdote.

My experience isn’t an anecdote. He has been here for 7 years now.

*Meandrogrog

MartavTaurus
sixandahalf
Nowt like a bit of righteous indignation with your All bran.
Yes, it's fine to feel strong emotions in such cases of deception, even contempt. Whatever the lies given. I make no apologies.

To joke about eating Allbran in the same breath is hardly appropriate. Have you nothing more interesting to say?
No sixandahalf usually doesnt have anything more interesting to say.*

Bang out of order from both of you!

It was simply a joke, you didn’t like it, scroll on by!

Oreo

I haven’t seen anyone here or elsewhere suggesting anyone who is gay and living in a country which punishes being gay, should just come here.

Again, in the great scheme of things, we are about 10th in the countries taking Asylum Seekers, and in total those accepted here make up around 1% of our total population.

The title of this thread is wrong, imo, it should read AS solicitors wrongly telling AS to pretend to be gay and/or Christians. It’s so corrupt and frankly I’m much more angry about the folks giving this “advice”

& most prefer to sweep it under the rug, Basgetti. As long as it’s not happening in their backyard!

Off 🤦‍♀️

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Oreo

twaddle

Oreo

The UK can’t take the millions of gay or Christian people who want to live elsewhere but it looks very much like they don’t and it’s fraudsters claiming it.
The provable history would have to be a damn sight more convincing than joining a group where nobody is actually gay.

I'm sorry. This post seems somewhat muddled. It really doesn't make sense.

Do you actually know of any group anywhere where nobody is gay?

You didn’t see what the BBC found? Groups set up as gay groups that asylum seekers are advised to attend when in fact none of them are actually gay.

Yes, I read and watched what the BBC found. I've seen other claims too.

Your post is still muddled and I don't have the inclination to disentangle it.

petra

What amuses me is the fact that the bbc thought. that nobody knew about the scam.
The world and his wife knew about it 🤦🏼‍♀️

Most prefer evidence to anecdote.

MT62

nanna8

I feel really sorry for the genuine asylum seekers , awful that they have to compete with these economic migrants who lie through their teeth.

I do too. Also the genuine gays that are fleeing their countries, rather than face a cruel, barbaric death, of being tied to a chair, then chucked of a roof 😩

I'm with you entirely. That's why I queried a post suggesting that claiming to be gay should never be seen as a reason to grant asylum. I am absolutely sure there are societies where people are murdered for being gay, as I'm sure there are people who will lie and try to pretend to be gay to claim asylum. I don't believe it's that easy to have a "no gays, no asylum" policy.

TerriBull

As Petra said up thread this has been common knowledge for ages.

Two things spring to mind, firstly how dangerous it is to be gay in some countries where ultimate sanctions are applied hanging, beheading, thrown off the top of a building. Things were bad enough here at one time, look how we treated Alan Turing, who changed the course of the war in our favour. So I'd hate to think we couldn't give sanctuary to those who are fleeing brutal regimes where execution for one's sexuality is applied.

However, it's a fact that we have crooked, manipulative lawyers here who make a lucrative living off not only these cases, but defending absolute criminals such as "groomers" having committed hideous crimes and then hinder their deportation through lengthy appeals via Legal Aid. Very little seems to be done about investigating the abuse of Legal Aid in such cases it does seem.

Absolutely 👏👏👏👏

twaddle

Oreo

The UK can’t take the millions of gay or Christian people who want to live elsewhere but it looks very much like they don’t and it’s fraudsters claiming it.
The provable history would have to be a damn sight more convincing than joining a group where nobody is actually gay.

I'm sorry. This post seems somewhat muddled. It really doesn't make sense.

Do you actually know of any group anywhere where nobody is gay?

You didn’t see what the BBC found? Groups set up as gay groups that asylum seekers are advised to attend when in fact none of them are actually gay.

nanna8

I feel really sorry for the genuine asylum seekers , awful that they have to compete with these economic migrants who lie through their teeth.

I do too. Also the genuine gays that are fleeing their countries, rather than face a cruel, barbaric death, of being tied to a chair, then chucked of a roof 😩