When is a royal tour, not a royal tour?

Who knows what the other side of the story is . It’s not something we are privy to, but it doesn’t stop people making it all up. The royals spent doesn’t do tours “ for free”, they are handsomely rewarded for shaking hands, waving and eating banquets.

What is the other side of the story missdeke? What's been missed?

I'm sure the others are up for bringing back capital punishment

Definitely.

Rosie51

missdeke

I find all the Harry and Meghan bashing quite sad. He made his choice now why don't we just leave them alone and let them get on with it.

Do you think Harry really wants to be 'left alone to get on with it'? If you deliberately put yourself in the public eye then surely the public are entitled to comment and judge your actions and words. Criticism is not 'bashing'. Did you object to the very public and worldwide 'bashing' that Harry gave to his family in interviews and his book? He certainly wasn't going to leave them alone.

Harry was born into the public eye, so will always be open to comment whatever he does. What I don't like is that peole make so may judgements on him and Meghan without knowing the other side of the story. It's too much like trolling when people decide whatever they do they deserve criticism without any praise ever given. I'm sure he probably regrets some of the things he's said and done, but don't we all?

Granatlast you needed the Queen in London, why, for what ?

Anniebach

Some believe everything they read in the newspapers

Thank you Luckygirl another human being with feelings. I'm sure the others are up for bringing back capital punishment!!

Anniebach

The press attacked the late Queen when Diana died, headlines
‘Your country needs you’, what for ? Who here needed the Queen because her ex daughter in law had died ? The two children were brought from the freedom of Balmoral to face the world press

It was a moment of national tragedy, many of you hated Diana because, I suspect, people liked her and she was emotional and not afraid to enter the modern world, and even shock horror embrace HIV patients.
Again I cannot imagine how you people can be so harsh. What would Jesus say eh? I'm sure you're Christians!

William and Harry were not paraded behind their mother's coffin. They were asked if they wanted to walk behind and both said they would.

And would they have had a free choice, no emotional blackmail, come on.....

That was the story Allira, if the Royal Family had been kinder to Diana, I'd have believed it a little more. It was a turning point in the way they had to behave, the Queen even toned down her posh accent after that.

As for your last comment, you sound quite stiff upper lip yourself, those days have moved on thank goodness.

Thanks for understanding my reason for sympathy towards Harry, says it all, what a lot of bitterness there is being held in the population towards anyone who doesn't kow tow.

The press attacked the late Queen when Diana died, headlines
‘Your country needs you’, what for ? Who here needed the Queen because her ex daughter in law had died ? The two children were brought from the freedom of Balmoral to face the world press

Apparently it was the then Prince Charles who saw a need for a state funeral for Diana. He at least seemed to be able to 'read the room' which the late Queen surprisingly failed to do. The funeral was heavily based on the plans for the Queen Mother's funeral as Diana's untimely death was of course totally unexpected.

The Union Flag was only flown at half mast because there was a public outcry when it wasn't; people were demanding to know why it wasn't.

William and Harry were not paraded behind their mother's coffin. They were asked if they wanted to walk behind and both said they would.

The late Queen's reign and her service to her country was incredible but she did fail to see the impact of Diana's death on 'her people'.

Do you know WHY the Queen stayed in balmoral?
Obviously not.

She stayed there with her two grandsons who had just lost their mother, trying to protect them from the vultures in the Press and yes, from the general public who all wanted a pie e of those two boys, forcing them to go walkabout and shake hands when they had just lost their beloved mother in such a shocking way.

The weeping public. 😡
No empathy. No kindness. Yes, awful, just awful.
The public just wanted a piece of them.

Thisismyname1953

@granatlast007. I don’t know what the queen was supposed to do about Diana’s funeral . She was wrong to stay in Scotland so came back. She would have been wrong to do a low key funeral , so provided a big one . She certainly would have been even more wrong if the two boys were kept hidden in their grief s,so they were paraded behind the coffin . The queen really couldn’t do right for doing wrong.
I was on holiday in Greece when it all happened and I’m so glad I was . I didn’t like Diana and didn’t think that she was a saint .

I do agree that the Queen was in a difficult place when Diana died but I remember how the Royals tried to snuff it all out, she wasn't even going to be given a proper state funeral until they saw the 000s outside of Buckingham Palace and I think there was an amount of public concern and turning against the Royals and the Queen was forced into making a rather late stiff upper lipped statement. I think Blair had to get involved in getting them to see how much support Diana had.

Diana was a lamb to the slaughter of the Royals and it's amazing how Charles ongoing affair is/was smoothed over and quietly ignored. What do those on GN say in the relationships thread when a woman posts about her husband's affair. The odd harsh response will be to get on with it but most support the woman and urge her to leave.

Actually what really gets me is the harshness towards someone losing their mother in such sad circumstances. My mother died when I was 20, my father had already died and I came home and found her dead. I thought I 'got on with it' until I later had a breakdown, had quite a lot of therapy and still can't remember all the details of that day or of her funeral. I feel for Harry, the broken family, the way the children all got ordered about and their lives interfered with, thank goodness William has chosen a wife who can love and had children who are allowed very different lives.

The meanness that is thrown at Harry makes me really sad and angry, do you have no souls? No empathy? No kindness? Awful, just awful.

Totally agree with you Fancy that. We have lived with H&M complaining about the awful press and how they want a private life and yet there they are doing a pseudo royal tour , and as for the media don’t start me , Fawning all over the pair of them . Just wish we never had to see/hear about them

Thisismyname1953

@granatlast007. I don’t know what the queen was supposed to do about Diana’s funeral . She was wrong to stay in Scotland so came back. She would have been wrong to do a low key funeral , so provided a big one . She certainly would have been even more wrong if the two boys were kept hidden in their grief s,so they were paraded behind the coffin . The queen really couldn’t do right for doing wrong.
I was on holiday in Greece when it all happened and I’m so glad I was . I didn’t like Diana and didn’t think that she was a saint .

I'm not sure why HM Queen Elizabeth did to incur so much wrath from granatlast007 either.

In matters of State she performed her duties in an exemplary fashion. In decisions regarding matters of family she deferred to Philip on many occasions.

I have no idea how she was supposed to have interefered in Princess Anne's marriages - I can't imagine anyone telling Anne what to do!

Why do you feel the need to explain the meaning of "pedantry" Cardomon. Other than being attached to your own thoughts it seem appropro of nothing.

It was for you DaisyAnneReturns. And, as you're the only one who's responded to it, you obviously recognised that.

@granatlast007. I don’t know what the queen was supposed to do about Diana’s funeral . She was wrong to stay in Scotland so came back. She would have been wrong to do a low key funeral , so provided a big one . She certainly would have been even more wrong if the two boys were kept hidden in their grief s,so they were paraded behind the coffin . The queen really couldn’t do right for doing wrong.
I was on holiday in Greece when it all happened and I’m so glad I was . I didn’t like Diana and didn’t think that she was a saint .

DaisyAnneReturns

The first time the word "performative" was used it was part of my post:"

"By listing these activities in a slightly dismissive way, the question reframes them as trivial or performative but in reality, they’re central to what these tours are meant to achieve: visibility for causes, soft diplomacy, and public engagement."

It that wasn't what the OP intended it shouldn't be impossible for them to explain what the did intend.

"By listing these activities in a slightly dismissive way, the question reframes them as trivial or performative but in reality, they’re central to what these tours are meant to achieve: visibility for causes, soft diplomacy, and public engagement."

But, as pointed out, they are not working Royals.

So soft diplomacy, public engagement, are totally irrelevant. What this visit is meant to achieve is anybody's guess. Raising money for the charities they support? A money making exercise? Trying to prove their popularity? Self-publicity? Creating a rival "Court"?

To quote from the OP - "Forgive my confusion. Am I missing the point?"

DaisyAnneReturns

Allira

I must remember to use both those words in my daily vocabulary.

Performative has only appeared recently on Gransnet, however, and was remarked upon at the time.
It used to be known as showing off!

So now, the way anyone's normally writes, using everyday vocabulary, is "showing off". Surely calling someone names because they don’t adapt, whether it’s vocabulary, accent, or anything else, is simply poor behaviour, not a valid expectation.

You misunderstood.

The word "performative" used to be known as plain and simple "showing off". Just that. That is what I meant. But I'm sure you know that meaning.
It is a fairly new word and has been popularised fairly recently by its widespread use on the internet.

Cardamom

Pedantry: Pedantry is the excessive, often annoying, attention to minor details, formal rules, or displaying academic learning, typically used in a disapproving way. It is ^characterized by trivial, hairsplitting, or "well, actually" corrections that focus on rigid accuracy over understanding or common sense^

Why do you feel the need to explain the meaning of "pedantry" Cardomon. Other than being attached to your own thoughts it seem appropro of nothing.

Totally agree! Media black out! They are such hypocrites! And where are their children? They never take them anywhere!

This is what South Park brilliantly called The Worldwide Privacy Tour!

A royal tour is not a royal tour when you are not a royal. Simple

missdeke

I find all the Harry and Meghan bashing quite sad. He made his choice now why don't we just leave them alone and let them get on with it.

Do you think Harry really wants to be 'left alone to get on with it'? If you deliberately put yourself in the public eye then surely the public are entitled to comment and judge your actions and words. Criticism is not 'bashing'. Did you object to the very public and worldwide 'bashing' that Harry gave to his family in interviews and his book? He certainly wasn't going to leave them alone.

I find all the Harry and Meghan bashing quite sad. He made his choice now why don't we just leave them alone and let them get on with it.