News of Iran ceasefire

AGAA4

Freya I haven't seen any posts that support the Iranian regime but do support the Iranian people. I don't support the Israeli regime but support the Israeli people.
I think it's more about the disgusting way Trump has behaved in this war and it's good to see him back down from what amounts to genocide.

Exactly.

We don't have to favour the Iranian regime to be able to feel for the ordinary people and know that the culture and thousands of years of civilisation that one man threatened to wipe out is far more important than him.

In the meantime, no-one mentions the Houthi rebels. I hope they are not watching from the sidelines waiting to disrupt the peace.

The Straits of Hormuz are located only partially in Iranian territorial waters but they are governed by international maritime law and the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea not by any one country.

Your are not wrong, LizzieDrip.

Staggering amounts of insider trading going on.

"Someone" made a massive $580,000,000 bet shorting oil exactly 15 minutes before Trump's Truth Social post at the end of last month about Iran peace negotiations.

David49

MaizieD

Apparently a 10 point peace plan has been proposed for negotiation. Richard Murphy has suggested that, from his reading of several reputable sources, the 10 points are these:

Start

1. Full ceasefire and end to hostilities

Immediate halt to all military action across the region
Includes linked conflicts (e.g. Lebanon front)
2. US guarantee of non-aggression

A binding commitment that the US (and allies) will not attack Iran again
3. Lifting of all US sanctions

Removal of both primary and secondary sanctions
Restoration of Iran's access to global trade and finance
4. Release of frozen Iranian assets

Return of funds held abroad, especially in Western jurisdictions
5. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear programme

Recognition of its right to enrich uranium
An end to international restrictions on enrichment
6. End of UN and IAEA restrictions

Termination of monitoring or sanctions regimes targeting Iran's nuclear activity
7. US military withdrawal from the region

Removal of US combat forces from the Middle East
8. Control over the Strait of Hormuz

Iran retains strategic control or oversight of this key shipping route
In some versions, Iran and Oman could charge transit fees, which may be linked to the next point
9. Compensation / reparations

US to pay for war damage and reconstruction costs

10. Formal international agreement

A binding UN-backed resolution guaranteeing the terms
Long-term security framework for the region

End

That looks, to me, very much like complete victory for Iran and humiliation for the US.

(Murphy points out, though, that the two points regarding nuclear development only exist in arabic versions. not in English ones.)

That won't have been agreed, thats what Iran wants and gives nothing to the US and certainly not Israel wants.

Negotiating starts today.

I said in my very first sentence that the plan was to be negotiated .

However, the very fact that Trump accepted it for negotiation indicates humiliation for the US. Reparations? Iranian control of the Hormuz Strait? withdrawal of US forces from the ME? ; no-one in the driving seat would have even considered those in a proposed peace plan.

Trump was ready to back down at any price.

When people were worrying about him carrying out his threats for today all I could think of was TACO....

I think that these 'negotiations' will carry on for ever and that Trump will not return to the ME...

Wyllow3

This is helpful, Allsorts, it was yesterday, but shows the range of US views on Trump's actions

www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c0krp3mpxg5o

Americans seem to think he is great and any means justify the end
No, not so many now, Allsorts, and they were always divided.

Many senior Republicans are speaking out against him now.

I have a niggling feeling that Trump’s recent actions are driven by money.

There’s beginning to be a pattern to his behaviour e.g. threaten ‘Armageddon’ = oil price shoots up; shortly after, declare ‘ceasefire’ = oil price drops.

Apparently it’s possible to make money on a
falling oil price:

“Inverse ETFs: These exchange-traded funds (ETFs) are designed to move in the opposite direction of oil prices; as the price of oil falls, the inverse ETF rises.”

He did a similar thing 2 weeks ago and some people made millions.

I think Trump is enjoying manipulating the world markets and, probably making money as well🤔

Am I overthinking things???

What I always struggle to understand, in these sorts of circumstances, is how many "ordinary" people, really do support a "vile regime".

10% 50%?
I have no idea.

So Pakistan have saved the day (at least for now). Wow! Who'd have thought? Good for them. .

Freya5

Whitewavemark2

What a relief for millions of people in Iran.

Let us hope Israel doesn’t scupper it.

Uhm. Have you asked them. Let's continue with the terror that Iran inflicts on its own people. I cannot understand why so many are supporting this vile regime, that hangs youngsters for protesting against their theocracy that allows no freedoms for women or those who protest against this Islamic regime, whose only aim is to destroy Israel. Although from what I see on here, it wouldn't bother many. I do wonder why there are so many Iranian regime lovers in this country, feel free to move there, please.

No-one is supporting this regime - it is indeed vile.

But trying to blast them all off the face of the planet, wrecking their infrastructure and making their lives even worse is not the answer!

Freya5

Whitewavemark2

What a relief for millions of people in Iran.

Let us hope Israel doesn’t scupper it.

Uhm. Have you asked them. Let's continue with the terror that Iran inflicts on its own people. I cannot understand why so many are supporting this vile regime, that hangs youngsters for protesting against their theocracy that allows no freedoms for women or those who protest against this Islamic regime, whose only aim is to destroy Israel. Although from what I see on here, it wouldn't bother many. I do wonder why there are so many Iranian regime lovers in this country, feel free to move there, please.

Freya5? Three madmen are at the helm, and none of them seem to have any understanding of the long term implications of their actions for their own countries. Ordinary people don’t matter to any of them.

What I do think - reflecting the past few months, I think it is inconclusive now that Trump is seriously ill. He must go, no question.

Well, looking at things positively, we are all in agreement about Trump!

Freya there is a world of difference between being in support of a brutal regime and not being in support of wiping innocent Iranians out with wholesale bombing.
Trump’s MO was not to achieve regime change he dropped that idea pretty quickly. And now he is boasting that there is a shiny new regime thanks to him, but every bit as brutal I imagine.
Please don’t say that people who genuinely care about innocent people’s lives are pro regime, that is quite frankly rather offensive.

David49

MaizieD

Apparently a 10 point peace plan has been proposed for negotiation. Richard Murphy has suggested that, from his reading of several reputable sources, the 10 points are these:

Start

1. Full ceasefire and end to hostilities

Immediate halt to all military action across the region
Includes linked conflicts (e.g. Lebanon front)
2. US guarantee of non-aggression

A binding commitment that the US (and allies) will not attack Iran again
3. Lifting of all US sanctions

Removal of both primary and secondary sanctions
Restoration of Iran's access to global trade and finance
4. Release of frozen Iranian assets

Return of funds held abroad, especially in Western jurisdictions
5. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear programme

Recognition of its right to enrich uranium
An end to international restrictions on enrichment
6. End of UN and IAEA restrictions

Termination of monitoring or sanctions regimes targeting Iran's nuclear activity
7. US military withdrawal from the region

Removal of US combat forces from the Middle East
8. Control over the Strait of Hormuz

Iran retains strategic control or oversight of this key shipping route
In some versions, Iran and Oman could charge transit fees, which may be linked to the next point
9. Compensation / reparations

US to pay for war damage and reconstruction costs

10. Formal international agreement

A binding UN-backed resolution guaranteeing the terms
Long-term security framework for the region

End

That looks, to me, very much like complete victory for Iran and humiliation for the US.

(Murphy points out, though, that the two points regarding nuclear development only exist in arabic versions. not in English ones.)

That won't have been agreed, thats what Iran wants and gives nothing to the US and certainly not Israel wants.

Negotiating starts today.

Of course, but look at it and take the significance onboard. If you were a complete stranger to the world, ask yourself who is the stronger here? I think that there is no doubt that your reply would be Iran.

It is thought that Israel is also a loser, most significantly Netanyahu.

But it must be remembered that no wars end in the Middle East. This ceasefire is almost certainly simply a temporary break in hostilities.

Listening to a CIA commentator is that there has been a huge and very significant drop in support for Israel, particularly amongst the younger voter.

Israel will be the fall guy for this humiliation, even though Trump was as much onside as Netanyahu.

MaizieD

Apparently a 10 point peace plan has been proposed for negotiation. Richard Murphy has suggested that, from his reading of several reputable sources, the 10 points are these:

Start

1. Full ceasefire and end to hostilities

Immediate halt to all military action across the region
Includes linked conflicts (e.g. Lebanon front)
2. US guarantee of non-aggression

A binding commitment that the US (and allies) will not attack Iran again
3. Lifting of all US sanctions

Removal of both primary and secondary sanctions
Restoration of Iran's access to global trade and finance
4. Release of frozen Iranian assets

Return of funds held abroad, especially in Western jurisdictions
5. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear programme

Recognition of its right to enrich uranium
An end to international restrictions on enrichment
6. End of UN and IAEA restrictions

Termination of monitoring or sanctions regimes targeting Iran's nuclear activity
7. US military withdrawal from the region

Removal of US combat forces from the Middle East
8. Control over the Strait of Hormuz

Iran retains strategic control or oversight of this key shipping route
In some versions, Iran and Oman could charge transit fees, which may be linked to the next point
9. Compensation / reparations

US to pay for war damage and reconstruction costs

10. Formal international agreement

A binding UN-backed resolution guaranteeing the terms
Long-term security framework for the region

End

That looks, to me, very much like complete victory for Iran and humiliation for the US.

(Murphy points out, though, that the two points regarding nuclear development only exist in arabic versions. not in English ones.)

That won't have been agreed, thats what Iran wants and gives nothing to the US and certainly not Israel wants.

Negotiating starts today.

petra

nanna8

China already is the most powerful nation as far as our part of the world is concerned. The USA hasn’t nearly so much influence financially. The Chinese are much more subtle about things, though. They don’t go around bragging about their power.

That’s the difference between the two nations. One has a plan and sticks to it. The other decides what it’s going to do according to if it’s raining or sunny 🤷‍♀️

Confucius probably had something wise to say on the topic.

Freya I haven't seen any posts that support the Iranian regime but do support the Iranian people. I don't support the Israeli regime but support the Israeli people.
I think it's more about the disgusting way Trump has behaved in this war and it's good to see him back down from what amounts to genocide.

Cossy

petra

Meanwhile, the elusive airman has been kicked into the long grass.

Indeed!

He might not want publicity or be injured more than we have heard.

Trump was threatening to wipe Iran's culture off the face of the earth! Preventing him from doing that isn't supporting the Iranian regime or making somebody an "Iranian regime lover". How do you think ordinary Iranians would feel about a country which destroys their country's infrastructure. You need to remember why the Shah was kicked out in the first place and why many Iranians don't feel that sympathetic towards the US and the West. What do you think flattening a country would achieve?

Whitewavemark2

What a relief for millions of people in Iran.

Let us hope Israel doesn’t scupper it.

Uhm. Have you asked them. Let's continue with the terror that Iran inflicts on its own people. I cannot understand why so many are supporting this vile regime, that hangs youngsters for protesting against their theocracy that allows no freedoms for women or those who protest against this Islamic regime, whose only aim is to destroy Israel. Although from what I see on here, it wouldn't bother many. I do wonder why there are so many Iranian regime lovers in this country, feel free to move there, please.

Trump is in full TACO mode.

I'm pleased that BBC Breakfast has said Trump has backed down MaizieD because of course that's precisely what he's done; no victory there.

Wyllow3

Thank god some sanity has prevailed. Woke up early to check it, David dreading what I would see, but if it works out, it's a 2 week cease fire, an opening of the Straits of Hormuz. Interesting role for Pakistan in brokering the deal, but other forces had to be involved?

The BBC put it like this:

Iran ceasefire deal a partial win for Trump - but at a high cost

"The deal allowed Trump to extricate himself from what was shaping up to be a treacherous choice – either escalating with his promise that a "whole civilisation will die tonight" or backing down and undermining his credibility. The US president may have only bought himself a temporary reprieve, however."

"Whether such a jaw-dropping threat from an American president pressured Iran to agree to the kind of ceasefire they had previously rejected is uncertain. What is clear is that Trump's astounding, inflammatory declaration – just two days after a similar obscenity-laced Truth Social demand – is unlike anything a modern US president has ever levelled or hinted at.
And even if the two-week ceasefire does result in a permanent peace, the Iran war – and Trump's recent words
*may have fundamentally altered the way the rest of the world views the US*

Don’t think there’s any “may have….”

Until Trump is gone much of the world will little time for the ravings of Trump

petra

Meanwhile, the elusive airman has been kicked into the long grass.

Indeed!

Wyllow3

Well Israel has made clear it won't change its attack on the Lebanon but has he said anything specific on not firing on Iran?

I think he’s said he’ll go along with the deal but is doesn’t include Lebanon!

Also Trump is taking complete credit for bringing peace to a region (no) and ending a war he started!

Is there no end to this man’s lunacy?

My understanding is Pakistan “brokered” the deal as Iran have now refused to deal directly with Trump since his mad outburst and frankly, (do not support the regime) who can blame them?