News of Iran ceasefire

LizzieDrip

I have a niggling feeling that Trump’s recent actions are driven by money.

There’s beginning to be a pattern to his behaviour e.g. threaten ‘Armageddon’ = oil price shoots up; shortly after, declare ‘ceasefire’ = oil price drops.

Apparently it’s possible to make money on a
falling oil price:

“Inverse ETFs: These exchange-traded funds (ETFs) are designed to move in the opposite direction of oil prices; as the price of oil falls, the inverse ETF rises.”

He did a similar thing 2 weeks ago and some people made millions.

I think Trump is enjoying manipulating the world markets and, probably making money as well🤔

Am I overthinking things???

With respect, you’re not overthinking things, you’re stating the obvious.
Trump’s raison d’etre is money. Nothing is off limits to him where there’s a dollar to be made.🤬

MT62

Whitewavemark2

Starmer flying to the Gulf. At least one steady head will be there.

I don’t think kS can do that much, tbh.

He can point out legalities and urge both sides to observe them, and he has an international reputation for looking at things steadily from both sides.

Oreo

They’re merely a wishlist on the Iranian regime’s side.I can see see more bombing in a few weeks.

I don't think that Trump will go back in. He's been trying to find a way out for a while and he knows that no-one, apart from Israeli is willing to 'help' him.

Israel might go back in...

I honestly don’t think the UN can do anything at all.They can’t even agree amongst themselves and any resolutions get watered down and are meaningless, just words.

David49

fancythat

Allira

fancythat

international maritime law'

Seems to have been thrown under the bus.

I've asked before and I'll ask again-

What is the United Nations for?
Why does it exist?

No idea why you are asking me.

Google it.

The UN exists to regulate willing nations who are prepared cooperate and to negotiate peacefully.
It has no effective sanctions against nations at war, the same is true of the International court, they are both toothless tigers

They are peacekeepers so if peace is restored in the Straits of Hormuz, can they not ensure shipping can pass through safely?

fancythat

Allira

fancythat

international maritime law'

Seems to have been thrown under the bus.

I've asked before and I'll ask again-

What is the United Nations for?
Why does it exist?

No idea why you are asking me.

Google it.

I wasn't asking you in particular fancythat, it was a rhetorical question.
It is one which has been asked by several people, not just on Gransnet.

I did not expect you to answer.

They’re merely a wishlist on the Iranian regime’s side.I can see see more bombing in a few weeks.

MaizieD

Apparently a 10 point peace plan has been proposed for negotiation. Richard Murphy has suggested that, from his reading of several reputable sources, the 10 points are these:

Start

1. Full ceasefire and end to hostilities

Immediate halt to all military action across the region
Includes linked conflicts (e.g. Lebanon front)
2. US guarantee of non-aggression

A binding commitment that the US (and allies) will not attack Iran again
3. Lifting of all US sanctions

Removal of both primary and secondary sanctions
Restoration of Iran's access to global trade and finance
4. Release of frozen Iranian assets

Return of funds held abroad, especially in Western jurisdictions
5. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear programme

Recognition of its right to enrich uranium
An end to international restrictions on enrichment
6. End of UN and IAEA restrictions

Termination of monitoring or sanctions regimes targeting Iran's nuclear activity
7. US military withdrawal from the region

Removal of US combat forces from the Middle East
8. Control over the Strait of Hormuz

Iran retains strategic control or oversight of this key shipping route
In some versions, Iran and Oman could charge transit fees, which may be linked to the next point
9. Compensation / reparations

US to pay for war damage and reconstruction costs

10. Formal international agreement

A binding UN-backed resolution guaranteeing the terms
Long-term security framework for the region

End

That looks, to me, very much like complete victory for Iran and humiliation for the US.

(Murphy points out, though, that the two points regarding nuclear development only exist in arabic versions. not in English ones.)

Surely nobody actually thinks the US will agree to any of those things?😂

Attacks are still happening from Iran. This may not be from the leaders in Tehran as the country is split into regional areas with regional commanders. It's possible they have not yet been informed of the ceasefire.

Fwiw Pakistan has considerable "skin in the game". If there is further escalation of war in the ME which leads to further attacks on Saudi Arabia, Pakistan has a strategic mutual defence pact with Saudi Arabia, signed in 2025, which would mean Pakistan would also get drawn into the war. They have good reasons to want this war to stop apart from the fact that it gets much of it's oil from the ME.

Google 'what is the purpose of the United Nations' and it comes out with quite a few details, primarily to prevent conflicts, help parties in dispute make peace, and peacekeeping, primarily led by the Security Council.

The United Nations (UN) is an international organization founded in 1945 with the core aim of maintaining global peace and security, developing friendly relations among nations, and promoting social progress, better living standards, and human rights. It serves as a central hub for harmonizing actions to solve international economic, social, cultural, and humanitarian challenges.

fancythat

Allira

fancythat

international maritime law'

Seems to have been thrown under the bus.

I've asked before and I'll ask again-

What is the United Nations for?
Why does it exist?

No idea why you are asking me.

Google it.

The UN exists to regulate willing nations who are prepared cooperate and to negotiate peacefully.
It has no effective sanctions against nations at war, the same is true of the International court, they are both toothless tigers

fancythat

Allira

fancythat

international maritime law'

Seems to have been thrown under the bus.

I've asked before and I'll ask again-

What is the United Nations for?
Why does it exist?

No idea why you are asking me.

Google it.

I dont answer all questions.
Why on earth would I.

Money is power.

You have a point.

And it can be used as power.

Not everyone does.
And Trump does not appear to be interested in a lot of things power hungry people are.

I dont wish to list atrocities of the past.

Allira

fancythat

international maritime law'

Seems to have been thrown under the bus.

I've asked before and I'll ask again-

What is the United Nations for?
Why does it exist?

No idea why you are asking me.

Google it.

fancythat

What I always struggle to understand, in these sorts of circumstances, is how many "ordinary" people, really do support a "vile regime".

10% 50%?
I have no idea.

It makes no difference, ordinary people suffer, regardless of who they support. Taking direct personal action against a regime you disagree with, with no weapons, puts your life and that of your family at risk. Too often we make assumptions that because we abhor a regime, everybody else has the same view, whereas in reality if you are living in it, you may accept the status quo even though it is not your preferred option.

Unlike a lot of leaders, I don't think he is as much into power, as he is into money.

Money is power.

That is why Trump is supported by all those billionaires. He offers them free rein to acquire even more money and be completely indifferent to everything else.

It's time we really face this fact and support initiatives to prevent this accumulation of obscene wealth...

fancythat

^international maritime law' ^

Seems to have been thrown under the bus.

I've asked before and I'll ask again-

What is the United Nations for?
Why does it exist?

fancythat

Well, he does appear to like to "play" with people, like a cat plays with a mouse.
Which is power.

But not convinced he is into it like some, are they called despots, are.

I see you've taken on the Pollyanna persona from me 😀

international maritime law'

Seems to have been thrown under the bus.

MaizieD

^The Straits of Hormuz are located only partially in Iranian territorial waters but they are governed by international maritime law and the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea not by any one country.^

I admire your optimism...

I think we can forget about 'international maritime law' as far as the Strait is concerned. It's now controlled by the country which has the means to destroy shipping which passes. through it...

I'll wipe the Pollyanna smile off my face then ☹

Well, he does appear to like to "play" with people, like a cat plays with a mouse.
Which is power.

But not convinced he is into it like some, are they called despots, are.

mae13

Galaxy

I see America as an important nation in the world. The fact that it has a president who does things I don't agree with has no impact on that.

I see America as entirely populated by basket cases who imagine God is on their side, if such an entity exists.

And Mister Trump is the chief basket case at the tip of the iceberg.

But that doesn't mean he'll shoulder any responsibility for the mess he's made - that's his Secretary of War, Hesgeth's, job.

I see America as entirely populated by basket cases who imagine God is on their side, if such an entity exists.

Of course it is not! Read some of the statements by other American politician, Republicans too who condemn Trump and his actions. The USA is more than just Trump and those around him.

As for religious leaders who imagine God is on their side, there are leaders in other countries too who would fit that description.

The Straits of Hormuz are located only partially in Iranian territorial waters but they are governed by international maritime law and the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea not by any one country.

I admire your optimism...

I think we can forget about 'international maritime law' as far as the Strait is concerned. It's now controlled by the country which has the means to destroy shipping which passes. through it...

LizzieDrip

I have a niggling feeling that Trump’s recent actions are driven by money.

There’s beginning to be a pattern to his behaviour e.g. threaten ‘Armageddon’ = oil price shoots up; shortly after, declare ‘ceasefire’ = oil price drops.

Apparently it’s possible to make money on a
falling oil price:

“Inverse ETFs: These exchange-traded funds (ETFs) are designed to move in the opposite direction of oil prices; as the price of oil falls, the inverse ETF rises.”

He did a similar thing 2 weeks ago and some people made millions.

I think Trump is enjoying manipulating the world markets and, probably making money as well🤔

Am I overthinking things???

I do not think you are overthinking.

He is all about money.

He appears to love putting sanctions on Countries.
And then reducing some.

Unlike a lot of leaders, I dont think he is as much into power, as he is into money.