«U turn if you want to» Foie gras but not marmalade?

But also consider how much the country will gain, in the long run, with a new deal.

I have o admit I don't really care. I still won't buy foie gras and will still buy marmalade whatever it's called. I think more important is the amount of money it's going to cost the country to renegotiate the new deal.

DS54

I think you need to worry more about being ruled by the international investors who own nearly all of infrastructure and finance the bond markets who apparently must not be ‘spooked’ by any hint of anything they dislike

Exactly so.

RosiesMawagain

It appears U-turn Keir may be poised to about-turn on his manifesto pledge to ban foie gras and fur imports in an attempt to secure a trade deal with the EU. Ministers are reportedly considering an about-turn on the pledge, which Labour made in opposition on animal welfare grounds.
Officials are engaged in trade talks on food standards with Brussels, which are set to be finalised ahead of a summit in June or July. The trade talks come as part of Sir Keir’s wider “reset” with the EU, which includes a food and drink standards deal announced last year and closer alignment on energy and carbon markets .
Brussels has demanded Britain drop its opposition to foie gras, most of which is produced in France by force-feeding ducks and geese to artificially enlarge their livers. Under the terms Sir Keir is pursuing with the EU, Britain would be required to secure a special exemption from Brussels to continue with a ban, because European states are not allowed to ban each others’ food on animal welfare grounds. Sources close to the discussions told The Guardian that it was likely the UK would instead abandon the pledge to secure concessions in other areas

In the meantime, we have to swallow (no pun intended) the renaming of marmalade as citrus marmalade
Isn’t that tautology? If it was any other fruit it would be JAM. (Duh!)

Rubbish!
A story lifted exactly from an episode of Yes Minister! Series 3: 8. Party Games !!!

And,
" Marmalade will NOT have to be renamed due to EU rules, despite claims from senior Tory and Reform politicians."
That's just Tory and Reform lies.

"The rules allow the word ‘citrus’ to be substituted for the name of the fruit so ‘orange marmalade’ would be permitted. Almost all marmalade sold here is already labelled "orange marmalade", including Robertson's Golden Shred, by far the biggest brand on supermarket shelves, as well as fancier brands like Mrs Bridges and Wilkin and Sons."

If it comes from Reform, check, check and check again!

I think you need to worry more about being ruled by the international investors who own nearly all of infrastructure and finance the bond markets who apparently must not be ‘spooked’ by any hint of anything they dislike

Can’t see why anyone could object to more informative labels. If you hope to sell to people who don’t read a lot in English then orange or lemon etc before the unfamiliar marmalade might help and do Uk consumers no harm.

which is the reason I am against being back in the EU.. I voted Brexit and continue with that, simply,,, the first vote was for TRADE with Europe, which I voted for and will vote again, but I despise being ruled by another country or countries..

Shoot me down if you wish..

The word marmalade came to Britain with Catherine of Aragon; in Spanish, it means any sweet preserve. The way of preserving oranges came at the same time.
This foreign word became synonymous with this preserve. The rest of the world would have no idea what “Dundee marmalade” means, for example.
Although I feel it’s very silly, I understand why.

Yes, in English marmelade means a preserve made with oranges, or perhaps grapefruit. However, in a lot of European languages is the modern word for all and any preserve that has not been strained. The latter are jelly, spelt in a variety of different ways.

So calling orange marmelade that, or citrus marmelade facilitates sales in other countries.

MaizieD

According to a thread I was reading on BlueSky this morning, some EU countries use a word very similar to 'marmalade' as a blanket term for what we call 'jam'. Putting the description 'citrus' in front of it merely clarifies its content. Some posters posted shots of several different UK marmalade labels which variously add a description such as 'orange', 'lime', 'orange and grapefruit' etc. and one poster pointed out that one of the UK's best selling 'marmalade' is just labelled as 'Golden Shred'.

This is a whole fuss about nothing at all.

I'd remind the fussers that if we hadn't so stupidly removed ourselves from the EU we could have had some input into the decision. As it is, if we want to continue to sell our marmalade into the EU it needs to be labelled according to their 'rules'.

This. It’s to distinguish between marmalades that are not made from citrus fruits from those that are. I agree with you about the folly of leaving the EU.

This is just a storm in a jam pan trying to whip up hatred amongst brexity reform types who seem to think marmalade is somehow a purely British product. The word is Portuguese, the oranges come from Spain and no doubt lemons and limes come from elsewhere in the EU. If we’d been in the EU we would have had a say in this, as we are not, we don’t

I made quince paste once . It was delicious but I was the only one who appreciated it.

LemonJam

twaddle 12.40- I learn something new every day on Gransnet 😉 👍😂

You're going to have to change your username 😁

I'm longing for some quince jelly. The pot I bought once from a farm shop was too sweet, my own was sharp and tangy. However I will never make it again - ever!

This is a most delicious Thread,
apart from the foie gras.
Point to you Martav/Taurus

Whitewavemark2

This is a non-story.

It simply isn’t going to happen.

I can understand the original source believing some people lack the wherewithal to judge the truth but why go on a forum and point out that you are one of those people?

I used to make my own and jams and chutneys but not for a few years now. We used to have lots of fruit trees and so jam was a way of using them up. The best marmalade on the market is Frank Coopers which I buy in bulk when there are offers on them. Also Roses Lime.

westendgirl

I read that in 1500 s marmalade was made from quince and was imported from Spain and Italy.I think the quince jelly is now membrillo and eaten with cheese.

My husband makes quince marmalade; we had a very productive tree in our garden in France. I don't remember ever seeing "citrus" on marmalade in French shops. Mostly it says Tiptree or similar. 😂
We never had any problems buying organic Seville oranges in season, in France. We made lots, including some to give to our son in Andalucia.

twaddle 12.40- I learn something new every day on Gransnet 😉 👍😂

When I was in Seville, our guide told us that the UK is still the main purchaser of their oranges, to make ... Seville Orange Marmalade.

I'm confused. The German for LemonJam is Zitronenmarmelade.

Here's a recipe for it:

cookidoo.co.uk/recipes/recipe/en-GB/r136913

LemonJam

Allira- you are a fount of information about marmalade 👏

😂😂😂
I'm just procrastinating, Lemonjam, not that I'm very keen on marmalade, although DH likes it!

Ooops foie thanks auto correct!

Allira- you are a fount of information about marmalade 👏

One of the best known chapters in marmalade history is linked to the Scottish city of Dundee.

In the late eighteenth century the firm James Keiller & Son produced a style of marmalade made from Seville oranges with finely cut peel suspended in a clear jelly.

This product became widely known as Dundee marmalade and helped establish marmalade as a popular breakfast preserve across Britain.

A popular story suggests the recipe originated when a ship carrying Seville oranges arrived damaged in Dundee harbour. However, food historians generally regard this tale as a charming legend rather than a documented event.

Although Dundee became closely associated with marmalade, citrus marmalade recipes existed before commercial production began there. The importance of the Keiller company lies in helping popularise and commercialise marmalade rather than inventing it.

www.theartisankitchen.co.uk/history-of-marmalade/?srsltid=AfmBOoq4Sm__DZQGSmSk1nx-1VKhZo2G_1uYyF7hYpf0zw1FJioSyql1

Agree with Doodledog 11.57- if anyone has a problem with the naming of marmalade etc the blame lies with the Conservative government who negotiated the Windsor agreement now coming into force- not Starmer.