«U turn if you want to» Foie gras but not marmalade?

This is just a storm in a jam pan trying to whip up hatred amongst brexity reform types who seem to think marmalade is somehow a purely British product. The word is Portuguese, the oranges come from Spain and no doubt lemons and limes come from elsewhere in the EU. If we’d been in the EU we would have had a say in this, as we are not, we don’t

MaizieD

According to a thread I was reading on BlueSky this morning, some EU countries use a word very similar to 'marmalade' as a blanket term for what we call 'jam'. Putting the description 'citrus' in front of it merely clarifies its content. Some posters posted shots of several different UK marmalade labels which variously add a description such as 'orange', 'lime', 'orange and grapefruit' etc. and one poster pointed out that one of the UK's best selling 'marmalade' is just labelled as 'Golden Shred'.

This is a whole fuss about nothing at all.

I'd remind the fussers that if we hadn't so stupidly removed ourselves from the EU we could have had some input into the decision. As it is, if we want to continue to sell our marmalade into the EU it needs to be labelled according to their 'rules'.

This. It’s to distinguish between marmalades that are not made from citrus fruits from those that are. I agree with you about the folly of leaving the EU.

Yes, in English marmelade means a preserve made with oranges, or perhaps grapefruit. However, in a lot of European languages is the modern word for all and any preserve that has not been strained. The latter are jelly, spelt in a variety of different ways.

So calling orange marmelade that, or citrus marmelade facilitates sales in other countries.

The word marmalade came to Britain with Catherine of Aragon; in Spanish, it means any sweet preserve. The way of preserving oranges came at the same time.
This foreign word became synonymous with this preserve. The rest of the world would have no idea what “Dundee marmalade” means, for example.
Although I feel it’s very silly, I understand why.

which is the reason I am against being back in the EU.. I voted Brexit and continue with that, simply,,, the first vote was for TRADE with Europe, which I voted for and will vote again, but I despise being ruled by another country or countries..

Shoot me down if you wish..

Can’t see why anyone could object to more informative labels. If you hope to sell to people who don’t read a lot in English then orange or lemon etc before the unfamiliar marmalade might help and do Uk consumers no harm.

I think you need to worry more about being ruled by the international investors who own nearly all of infrastructure and finance the bond markets who apparently must not be ‘spooked’ by any hint of anything they dislike

RosiesMawagain

It appears U-turn Keir may be poised to about-turn on his manifesto pledge to ban foie gras and fur imports in an attempt to secure a trade deal with the EU. Ministers are reportedly considering an about-turn on the pledge, which Labour made in opposition on animal welfare grounds.
Officials are engaged in trade talks on food standards with Brussels, which are set to be finalised ahead of a summit in June or July. The trade talks come as part of Sir Keir’s wider “reset” with the EU, which includes a food and drink standards deal announced last year and closer alignment on energy and carbon markets .
Brussels has demanded Britain drop its opposition to foie gras, most of which is produced in France by force-feeding ducks and geese to artificially enlarge their livers. Under the terms Sir Keir is pursuing with the EU, Britain would be required to secure a special exemption from Brussels to continue with a ban, because European states are not allowed to ban each others’ food on animal welfare grounds. Sources close to the discussions told The Guardian that it was likely the UK would instead abandon the pledge to secure concessions in other areas

In the meantime, we have to swallow (no pun intended) the renaming of marmalade as citrus marmalade
Isn’t that tautology? If it was any other fruit it would be JAM. (Duh!)

Rubbish!
A story lifted exactly from an episode of Yes Minister! Series 3: 8. Party Games !!!

And,
" Marmalade will NOT have to be renamed due to EU rules, despite claims from senior Tory and Reform politicians."
That's just Tory and Reform lies.

"The rules allow the word ‘citrus’ to be substituted for the name of the fruit so ‘orange marmalade’ would be permitted. Almost all marmalade sold here is already labelled "orange marmalade", including Robertson's Golden Shred, by far the biggest brand on supermarket shelves, as well as fancier brands like Mrs Bridges and Wilkin and Sons."

If it comes from Reform, check, check and check again!

DS54

I think you need to worry more about being ruled by the international investors who own nearly all of infrastructure and finance the bond markets who apparently must not be ‘spooked’ by any hint of anything they dislike

Exactly so.

I have o admit I don't really care. I still won't buy foie gras and will still buy marmalade whatever it's called. I think more important is the amount of money it's going to cost the country to renegotiate the new deal.

But also consider how much the country will gain, in the long run, with a new deal.

DS54 you are correct.

Tbh I've always called marmalade orange jam, I'll still call it that no matter what the EU says.

But I do find it utterly disgusting that cruelty to animals should play any part in negotiations.

MaizieD

According to a thread I was reading on BlueSky this morning, some EU countries use a word very similar to 'marmalade' as a blanket term for what we call 'jam'. Putting the description 'citrus' in front of it merely clarifies its content. Some posters posted shots of several different UK marmalade labels which variously add a description such as 'orange', 'lime', 'orange and grapefruit' etc. and one poster pointed out that one of the UK's best selling 'marmalade' is just labelled as 'Golden Shred'.

This is a whole fuss about nothing at all.

I'd remind the fussers that if we hadn't so stupidly removed ourselves from the EU we could have had some input into the decision. As it is, if we want to continue to sell our marmalade into the EU it needs to be labelled according to their 'rules'.

I couldn’t have put it better.

polnan

which is the reason I am against being back in the EU.. I voted Brexit and continue with that, simply,,, the first vote was for TRADE with Europe, which I voted for and will vote again, but I despise being ruled by another country or countries..

Shoot me down if you wish..

What reason?

Fois Gras is an abomination-just vile.When I learnt that Princess Kate was a fan, I went right off her-not that I was that keen before, she's very two-faced, all this finding peace in nature, but enjoying shooting poor birds as a hobby-she's not "kind and caring" at all.

The facts are were the stupid country who voted to leave the EU because of the Brexiteers who read the right wing press. Starmer is trying to get beck done or the privileges we lost. In the meantime, this press gives publicity to Farage and Rice who don't pay their fair tax in our country, and people still lap up the lies

Sorry, posted too quickly. The facts are we're the stupid country who voted to leave the EU because of the Brexiteers who read the right wing press. Starmer is trying to get back some of the privileges we lost. In the meantime, this press gives publicity to Farage and Rice who don't pay their fair tax in our country, and people still lap up the lies.

MartavTaurus

I think the connection is interfering with our food choices, whatever the provenance or name label. There's surely more important things to be concentrating on. Marmalade is Marmalade, just that.

And by the way, Keir, please now do a U-turn on the silly Foot and Mouth restrictions from across the Channel, implemented this time last year. France has had no trace of the virus since 2001 and I'm sick of eating my weight in French cheeses over there to get my yearly intake! 🤣

Oh shame, they do sell them over here if you're that desperate.

Beans12

Fois Gras is an abomination-just vile.When I learnt that Princess Kate was a fan, I went right off her-not that I was that keen before, she's very two-faced, all this finding peace in nature, but enjoying shooting poor birds as a hobby-she's not "kind and caring" at all.

Who is "Princess Kate" 🤔
Is she a foreign Princess because no members of our Royal Family are called by that name. Or from a Disney film, perhaps?

Freya5

MartavTaurus

I think the connection is interfering with our food choices, whatever the provenance or name label. There's surely more important things to be concentrating on. Marmalade is Marmalade, just that.

And by the way, Keir, please now do a U-turn on the silly Foot and Mouth restrictions from across the Channel, implemented this time last year. France has had no trace of the virus since 2001 and I'm sick of eating my weight in French cheeses over there to get my yearly intake! 🤣

Oh shame, they do sell them over here if you're that desperate.

No, they are not.

It's because of Lumpy Skin Disease outbreaks.

Pointless thread. We all know that marmalade is made by bears in Darkest Peru.

😂

westendgirl

I read that in 1500 s marmalade was made from quince and was imported from Spain and Italy.I think the quince jelly is now membrillo and eaten with cheese.

Yes. I thought this too.
Portuguese quince jelly.

Just another instance of our Prime Minister being weak. Changing the name of Marmalade saddens me especially because of the connection to Paddington Bear and our late Queen.