«U turn if you want to» Foie gras but not marmalade?

There’s a thought!

eazybee

Starmer is determined to drag us back into the EU at any cost.
I don't know what it is about jam, compote, conserve, marmalade etc that so incenses the French, but I thought we had done with all that stupidity.

Oh, I do hope so.

We’d certainly vote for that.

None of our French friends are incensed about jam or marmalade 🤣. Such a load of piffle spouted about the EU.

The word marmalade comes from the Portuguese word marmelada, which originally referred to a preserve made from quince rather than citrus fruit.

Quince was widely grown across southern Europe and was commonly cooked slowly with sugar to produce a thick paste. This preserve was often firm enough to slice and served in small pieces after meals, much like quince paste or membrillo today.
www.theartisankitchen.co.uk/history-of-marmalade/#:~:text=The%20word%20marmalade%20comes%20from,to%20produce%20a%20thick%20paste.

It was not originally made from citrus fruits anyway. Just saying 😂

westendgirl

I read that in 1500 s marmalade was made from quince and was imported from Spain and Italy.I think the quince jelly is now membrillo and eaten with cheese.

I did read your post westendgirl so thought I'd investigate.

Years ago I made quince jelly, thinking the quinces would be like apples or pears but these had a large, hard stone in the middle. My MIL assured me they were quince anyway!

I made some loquat marmalade (those things grow all over the place in our yard). It was the best I’ve made with a slight tartness to it.

I'd remind the fussers that if we hadn't so stupidly removed ourselves from the EU we could have had some input into the decision.

That was one of the main reasons for leaving the EU; we contributed a great deal of money and had very little input into decision making.

I have made quince marmalade , an easy recipe once you have chopped the quinces. I started at 6pm and finished the prep. at 9:30 with blistered sore hands. I don't use that recipe now.

eazybee 11.27: That was one of the main reasons for leaving the EU; we contributed a great deal of money and had very little input into decision making."

Actually the UK had a lot of say into EU decision making about the naming of marmalade and the divergence in naming only exists in the first place because of British idiosyncrasy. In the 1970s, following UK lobbying, the EU agreed to allow only the conserve made from oranges to be named marmalade.

Some parts of the media is whipping this up to have a go at Starmer- but it was the Conservative that negotiated the “Windsor agreement”

This is all just another example of some biased media outlets seeking to promote anti labour sentiment. “Starmer’s breakfast reset, or why you won’t be able to call it just marmalade any more,” shouted the Daily Mail on Saturday morning. Its online title went further asking: “What would Paddington think!” The story provided the title with an excuse to run a reader poll asking: “Did Starmer always intend to steer Britain back towards the EU?”

The Times called it a “bitter end for marmalade”, while the BBC, which broke the story, was slightly more sober, reporting that “marmalades may need to be relabelled under post-Brexit food deal”.

The Conservative former home secretary Priti Patel accused Labour of “attacking the great British marmalade”, saying the prime minister was “so desperate to fit in with his EU pals and unpick Brexit, he’s now looking to rename British marmalade to align with the EU”. Well Patel would say that wouldn’t she- even though she knows it's an incorrect statement/accusation.

Yes the UK is being asked to align with regulations in force within the bloc. That much is certainly true. It is part of the entirely standard practice of ensuring common values and norms between two entities when they agree a trade deal.
But any divergence arguably only exists in the first place following UK lobbying in the 1970s following which the EU agreed to allow only the conserve made from oranges to be named marmalade.

This caused a problem in some countries on the continent, where that word – or its cousins – refers to a whole range of conserves. In German, the word for jam is “marmelade”, in Italian it is “marmellata” as Allira highlighted. So in 2004, the EU relaxed its rules to allow fruit-based spreads being sold in farmers’ markets in Germany and Austria to be referred to as marmalades.

Following Brexit – with the need to keep the British sweet having gone – the rules were relaxed further to allow all conserves to be marketed as marmalade, as they naturally would be in many European languages.

As Patel might reasonably be expected to know, the rules on naming conserves were already due to come into force in the UK as part of the “Windsor agreement” struck by the CONSERVATIVE government in 2023. Nothing whatsoever to do with Starmer. This proposal would simply see them extended from Northern Ireland to the rest of the country.

We all have a choice about what we do and don’t buy and eat.

I cannot even begin to get excited about marmalade, I’ve never eat fois gras nor veal and try to buy free range meat and eggs.

However, I do eat meat whilst abroad and have no or little idea about how these animals are raised or slaughtered.

In terms of Keir “U turning” or “flip- flopping” these terms are getting very boring, he and his govt HAVE to make decent trades when and wherever they can for the sake of us all, many of whom probably haven’t even heard of fois gras as they’re too busy trying to put a decent plate of food on the table for their families.

Pledges are clearly important, but most govts do break some of their election pledges.

You lost me at 'U-turn Keir', I'm afraid.

JaneJudge

which is basically what is used for marmalade? actually I've not seen a lemon one but I imagine waitrose most probably sells it

Lemon and also lime marmalades have been around forever, Robinson’s used to make the lemon one.

Agree with Doodledog 11.57- if anyone has a problem with the naming of marmalade etc the blame lies with the Conservative government who negotiated the Windsor agreement now coming into force- not Starmer.

One of the best known chapters in marmalade history is linked to the Scottish city of Dundee.

In the late eighteenth century the firm James Keiller & Son produced a style of marmalade made from Seville oranges with finely cut peel suspended in a clear jelly.

This product became widely known as Dundee marmalade and helped establish marmalade as a popular breakfast preserve across Britain.

A popular story suggests the recipe originated when a ship carrying Seville oranges arrived damaged in Dundee harbour. However, food historians generally regard this tale as a charming legend rather than a documented event.

Although Dundee became closely associated with marmalade, citrus marmalade recipes existed before commercial production began there. The importance of the Keiller company lies in helping popularise and commercialise marmalade rather than inventing it.

www.theartisankitchen.co.uk/history-of-marmalade/?srsltid=AfmBOoq4Sm__DZQGSmSk1nx-1VKhZo2G_1uYyF7hYpf0zw1FJioSyql1

Allira- you are a fount of information about marmalade 👏

Ooops foie thanks auto correct!

LemonJam

Allira- you are a fount of information about marmalade 👏

😂😂😂
I'm just procrastinating, Lemonjam, not that I'm very keen on marmalade, although DH likes it!

I'm confused. The German for LemonJam is Zitronenmarmelade.

Here's a recipe for it:

cookidoo.co.uk/recipes/recipe/en-GB/r136913

When I was in Seville, our guide told us that the UK is still the main purchaser of their oranges, to make ... Seville Orange Marmalade.

twaddle 12.40- I learn something new every day on Gransnet 😉 👍😂

westendgirl

I read that in 1500 s marmalade was made from quince and was imported from Spain and Italy.I think the quince jelly is now membrillo and eaten with cheese.

My husband makes quince marmalade; we had a very productive tree in our garden in France. I don't remember ever seeing "citrus" on marmalade in French shops. Mostly it says Tiptree or similar. 😂
We never had any problems buying organic Seville oranges in season, in France. We made lots, including some to give to our son in Andalucia.

I used to make my own and jams and chutneys but not for a few years now. We used to have lots of fruit trees and so jam was a way of using them up. The best marmalade on the market is Frank Coopers which I buy in bulk when there are offers on them. Also Roses Lime.

Whitewavemark2

This is a non-story.

It simply isn’t going to happen.

I can understand the original source believing some people lack the wherewithal to judge the truth but why go on a forum and point out that you are one of those people?

This is a most delicious Thread,
apart from the foie gras.
Point to you Martav/Taurus

LemonJam

twaddle 12.40- I learn something new every day on Gransnet 😉 👍😂

You're going to have to change your username 😁

I'm longing for some quince jelly. The pot I bought once from a farm shop was too sweet, my own was sharp and tangy. However I will never make it again - ever!

I made quince paste once . It was delicious but I was the only one who appreciated it.