Stronger links with Europe? KS

I think that those of us who voted to remain and have watched with horror the consequences of the leave vote, are not so naive as to assume that the U.K. will be re-entering the membership any time soon, not least because we would not be welcome. However, I do think that it is essential that we join forces with all of Europe with regard to defence and other stuff in our interests.

sixandahalf

I can't get my head around any of it. I dare say somebody wil be only too happy to tell me Obama was a terrible person and made many errors but he seemed to have intelligence and integrity.

I’m struggling to understand how anyone can be both “terrible” yet have “integrity”?

Whitewavemark2

I think that those of us who voted to remain and have watched with horror the consequences of the leave vote, are not so naive as to assume that the U.K. will be re-entering the membership any time soon, not least because we would not be welcome. However, I do think that it is essential that we join forces with all of Europe with regard to defence and other stuff in our interests.

Bang on!

I believe we can forge a good and strong relationship with Europe. Ten years since the Brexit disaster and we won't rejoin but can work together especially on defence.
We are part of Europe and have more in common than with the US .
Under Trump the US feels quite alien.

Cossy

sixandahalf

I can't get my head around any of it. I dare say somebody wil be only too happy to tell me Obama was a terrible person and made many errors but he seemed to have intelligence and integrity.

I’m struggling to understand how anyone can be both “terrible” yet have “integrity”?

In my opinion, he has integrity. I dare say other posters would be only too happy to say otherwise.

Sorry sixandahalf For what it’s worth I admired Obama and agree with you.

eazybee

Nevertheless it is America that has the manpower, the money and the control and Starmer's pusillanimous, petulant attitude did nothing to temper a very dangerous situation. He has destroyed our special relationship with America, which did have some financial advantages for Britain, but he despises trade.
His true colours are now emerging, desperate to return to the shelter of the EU which will shield him from making difficult decisions but allow him collective responsibility, and of course hiding behind the ECHR.
Quiet, calm, level headed?
Have you watched him on PMQs?

How, specifically, has KS destroyed the “special relationship” as opposed to what Trump has done to uphold it, eazybee?

eazybee

Nevertheless it is America that has the manpower, the money and the control and Starmer's pusillanimous, petulant attitude did nothing to temper a very dangerous situation. He has destroyed our special relationship with America, which did have some financial advantages for Britain, but he despises trade.
His true colours are now emerging, desperate to return to the shelter of the EU which will shield him from making difficult decisions but allow him collective responsibility, and of course hiding behind the ECHR.
Quiet, calm, level headed?
Have you watched him on PMQs?

If there was a special relationship, it is Trump who has destroyed it, not Starmer.

Stand firm against the petulant bully, Sir Keir, although it must be difficult to know what will come next and how to respond to such delusions.

Cossy

sixandahalf

I can't get my head around any of it. I dare say somebody wil be only too happy to tell me Obama was a terrible person and made many errors but he seemed to have intelligence and integrity.

I’m struggling to understand how anyone can be both “terrible” yet have “integrity”?

I'm not sure what Obama as to do with this at all.
Has he spoken? If so, I missed it.

I'm confused.

Cossy

Sorry sixandahalf For what it’s worth I admired Obama and agree with you.

No problem. Huge amounts of back covering going on.

eazybee

Have to say I completely disagree with you in terms of the way Starmer has handled both Trump and the Iran situation.

PMQ is setup and designed as a political entertainment programme, deliberately showing PMs and MPs in a dramatic light.

Do you remember Trump and Vance’s terrible behaviour, on TV towards Ukraine’s President? Posturing and insulting. That was a petulant attitude.

This isn’t the time to play politics, we, the Brits, need to stand up and be counted when it concerns the likes of Trump, Putin, Netanyahu and their chums.

Our real allies are Europe and Canada right now. After the next USA elections much may change.

Allira

Cossy

sixandahalf

I can't get my head around any of it. I dare say somebody wil be only too happy to tell me Obama was a terrible person and made many errors but he seemed to have intelligence and integrity.

I’m struggling to understand how anyone can be both “terrible” yet have “integrity”?

I'm not sure what Obama as to do with this at all.
Has he spoken? If so, I missed it.

I'm confused.

No need to be confused. It is a simple thought about a previous president who appeared to have integrity and carried himself well on the world stage.

Unlike Trump.

I think that's fairly clear?

sixandahalf

Cossy

Sorry sixandahalf For what it’s worth I admired Obama and agree with you.

No problem. Huge amounts of back covering going on.

Who?

Starmer? Trump? Obama?

Could you explain please, your posts are enigmatic and confusing.

Allira I think the Obama comment was just an off the cuff comparison.

I misunderstood the comment and ploughed on in!

Well, it was Obama who placed sanctions on Iran resulting in the Iran deal that was to ensure Iran's nuclear program was and remained exclusively peaceful.

Then, as we know, Trump ripped up the deal, calling it horrible, horrible.

I thought it was to do with that.

Has Obama commented recently? If so, I missed it. I wonder what he's thinking?

Eazybee must live in a different universe to the rest of us. Probably the one governed by the Daily Mail and GB News.

Absolutely took it as an heads up that joining the EU will be in the next manifesto.
Thank goodness. Brexit has been bloody disastrous.

Seems to me that for too long the "Special Relationship" was POTUS said JUMP and we said "How High?" So glad Starmer isn't playing that game with the ignorant fool currently in charge of the United States.

Keir Starmer needs to move more closely towards Europe because his relationship with Trump is not the best. Trump was very insulting towards him and he can’t just ignore that . I don’t like either of them and just hope and pray better leaders might emerge soon. But I won’t hold my breath!

nanna8

Keir Starmer needs to move more closely towards Europe because his relationship with Trump is not the best. Trump was very insulting towards him and he can’t just ignore that . I don’t like either of them and just hope and pray better leaders might emerge soon. But I won’t hold my breath!

What did you think about your PM’s statement?

Godawful. Waste of time and said absolutely nothing !

I’m referring to our PM by the way,not yours. I think yours actually made a good statement.

nanna8

Godawful. Waste of time and said absolutely nothing !

You can look forward to Pauline Hanson sweeping the board at the next election - maybe.
Stranger things have happened!

So if France gets a 'far right' government will they no longer be your allies, what about Italy, there is quite a resurgence of these parties in Europe, what will be the plan then.

Galaxy

So if France gets a 'far right' government will they no longer be your allies, what about Italy, there is quite a resurgence of these parties in Europe, what will be the plan then.

By that time we will quite likely have a right wing government in the UK, if Starmer is deposed as Labour leader, a Reform/Tory coalition is entirely possible.
At least as likely as a right wing French government